and the afghanistan troops >> there is a headline titled loosing iraq. we can see the headline. but wanted to show you a clip from senator john mccain when asked about the significant up take in violence in iraq. >> this president wanted out and we got out and we are now seeing increased iranian influence in iraq. >> i want to see if i have this correctly. watching what is going on in iraq, you think there is nothing the u.s. can do that might help purge the al qaeda members out of iraq? you think that is a lost cause? >> no, no. i apologize if i gave you the wrong impression. no combat troops. but we could provide them with assistance, support and patchy helicopters but they have to have an awakening and reach out to the sunni and have national reconcile. we could have kept a residual force there, but i would suggest perhaps sending ambassador cocker over there. it isn't just iraq. you are seeing an al qaeda conclave there and that is dangerous. the united states is disengaged in syria, and thank god we are seeing a little reversal there, thank god. >> mitchell, speak first abou

loose. most observers would say hillary clinton's vote for iraq versus barack obama's against it was a determiningor in who gained the democrat nomination. i'll never forget hillary clinton saying she would have to have a willing suspension of disbelief in order to think that the surge would work. but i think that secretary gates is frustrated. i'm a great admirer of his. >> right. but was it appropriate? >> i think, frankly, if i would have been giving him advice, i would have waited. as far as waiting until it is over in afghanistan, i wouldn't have done that. but maybe retrospect of a little longer than now. but i also respect his ability to voice his views any time he wants to. >> i want to ask you about the national security agency. the president this week will begin the talk about the restrictions he wants to place on u.s. surveillance. do you think any restrictions are needed and what would you go for? >> well, i would go for a thorough review by congress, too, because we're going to most likely have to pass legislation to implement or not implement the president's recommendations. let's fa

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iraq. >> all right let's talk about the groups fighting against them. is it the flee syrian army, so-called the free syrian army, loose group there, and the islamic front together? do we know exactly who they're up against? >> well, i think one ability that the i.s.i.l. has above all others is to unite everybody against it. so i think that all groups are pretty much against it. i know the al nusra front, the other al qaeda group in syria has been slightly more ambiguous, in wanting to be a mediator among the groups but they have recently lost several fighters to i.s.i.l. so they are probably more inclined to side with the freems, wha free syrian army, the muja hadeen. >> where is the syrian national coalition in all of this? who do they represent on the ground? when you are in yshes and go through check -- syria and go through checkpoints you hardly ever see a checkpoint or street or area. >> you're absolutely right, this is one of the big, big problems and certainly a big problem for the geneva conference. if they could pull themselves together and project a sort of unified policy then some of the groups might come b

state of syria and iraq ok don i'd like to go back to you in new york the interesting fact here is that you know it respective of what opposition group you want to support or any loose of moderate group that i don't think even exists there anymore it's still the united states and its allies that want to see the end of a secular regime in damascus i mean ad that's adds to the riddle to all of this supporting of different groups in different countries. well that goes back to the beginning of the project in ny in the late one nine hundred seventy s. in afghanistan you had a secular marxist government that was being destabilized by people who lived in the country who own the land you know in the in the rural parts the one land they were looking at having their property handed over to the peasants and you had a secular state in the cities you know because it's a marxist state where the religious types who were not the center of political gravity or of cultural gravity there were being excited by the cia they created the mujahideen groups that were there to firstly stabilize it forced the u.s.s.r. against its wishes by the way they were invited in by the government becaus

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loosely affiliated horizontal threat. many groups are al qaeda. they are opportunistic and they come together like cancer cells. the new organization, the islamist state in iraq and syria is called al qaeda. it isn't technically al qaeda. it is the old zarqawi organization that osama bin laden dislikes. zardari was taken down, but his successors on the organization and has taken advantage in iraq because unfortunately president maliki makes an adequate effort some of the sunny parts of this country, but also in syria for obvious reasons. so the terror threat has changed. the ranking member thompson is also correct that to defeat this threat, we need more than kinetic force. playing whack a mole, which we have done pretty well and we should continue to do in some parts of the world using drones and other activities will eliminate individuals, but it won't defeat the threat. we really in the end have to win the argument and that is why the whole of government approach is so important. that approach is embraced by our defense department by the way, which is than some of us prior state department by public-private partnerships, ngos and both finished studying aro