things if there are many faces of the divine and is our job to see whether our free will allows us to loranne or the destructive impulse. but if that consciousness is infinite by definition than it is everything. >> even the bad? >> we see the data, don't we? it is a stage of development. it is a spiritual stage of development. we have stages of development in psychology. why can't we have stages of development in spirituality? >> making it the better we are calling god? i just don't know why -- >> if you look at the world right now there is less violence today, less racism, less bigotry, less of everything and years ago. we had slavery in this country, you know, a few hundred years ago. women couldn't vote in this century. so we are improving in our evolution, and that is part of the spiritual quest. but what i also have to say in the absence of that we have a view to praise phrase this very carefully to avoid of spirituality has given us modern capacity force that risks our extinction. it has given us debt, nuclear weapons, global warming, climate chaos. i saw a program the other day where