but i believe those reforms are absolutely essentials and as the former labor pension secretary lord hanson said, and he said this, it is hard to imagine a better deal than this. what i would say to people who are on strike today is they are going on strike at a time when negotiations are still underway. the right hon. gentleman refers to what was said in june. let me remind him what he said on the 30th of june. these strikes are wrong. these strikes are wrong at a time when negotiations are going on. >> mr. speaker, mr. speaker. >> order! >> i say to people who are engaged in orchestrated barricades, for whichever side -- very tedious and juvenile and the public to not wanted and needed to our. as the prime minister will be heard. that is all there is to it. >> they declared negotiations at the end four weeks ago. they made their final offer. they said they would make the final offer. they haven't even met the union for four weeks. and what has the prime minister gone around saying to people? he is privately delighted the unions have walked into his trap. that is the reality. he has been s