lord turnbull told you nothing was wrong with this. there was no problem with that sofa style of government. he disregards that phrase. to what extent should the cabinet secretary say this is wrong, prime minister, you need to be doing something here? >> the role of the cabinet secretary, and i was in contact with all the surviving ones, retired, as well as serving, is to some degree determined by his perhaps one day her relationship with the prime minister of the day, but there is also and it's clearly accepted by all of them a clear responsibility for the cabinet as a collective and its members as individual responsible departmental ministers. i think if i have a purpose today, it's to encourage all my successors, colleagues at the top end of whitehall to take their courage in both hands and insist on their right to be heard and to record what their advice is, even if that advice is not taken. and it is entirely up for ministers to decide, but it is for senior officials, and that would clue senior military as well in this, to state v

lord turnbull told you nothing was wrong with this. there was no problem with that sofa style of government. he disregards that phrase. to what extent should the cabinet secretary say this is wrong, prime minister, you need to be doing something here? >> the role of the cabinet secretary, and i was in contact with all the surviving ones, retired, as well as serving, is to some degree determined by his perhaps one day her relationship with the prime minister of the day, but there is also and it's clearly accepted by all of them a clear responsibility for the cabinet as a collective and its members as individual responsible departmental ministers. i think if i have a purpose today, it's to encourage all my successors, colleagues at the top end of whitehall to take their courage in both hands and insist on their right to be heard, and to report what their advice is, even if that advice is not taken, and it's entirely for ministers to decide, but it is for senior officials and that would include military as well in this, to state very clea

lord turnbull told you that nothing was wrong with this, there was no problem with the sofa stoke ofit. to what extent should a cabinet secretary be saying this is s wrong, prime minister, you need to be doing something? >> the role of the cabinetthis secretary, and i was in contact with all of the surviving ones, retired as well as serving, is to some degree determined by his or her one day her relationship with the prime minister of the y day. this was accepted by all of them, a clear responsibility to cabinet as a collective and its members as individuals, responsible departmental ministers. if i have a purpose today is to encourage all my successors, as colleagues at the top end ofncoa whitehall, to take the courage in both hands and insist on their right to be heard come into record what their advice is, even if that advice is not d taken. it's entirely from ministers decide but it is for senior officials, and i would include senior military as well, to state very clearly the best advice to the masters. i think the recording of that advice and the recording of any discussion abo