. >> another quote from lord wyatt, the trouble is newspapers will bring anybody down just for the hell of it these days. they find it shows their power, titillates readers and helps sell newspapers. is he wide of the mark. >> yes, i think that's a very unkind thing, of course mr. wyatt felt that when he wrote a column for the news of the world he was the most powerful man in the country and greatly resented when the editor wanted to stop it, tell him this is many years later when he wrote that, no, but let's be serious about this. only yesterday, maybe the day before, the daily mail had all page one and a double page attacking google for not deleting porn from its service. maybe i am old-fashioned. i happen to agree with every word of it. that was a very, very strong atta attack. i think that's fair. i think a newspaper that wants to if it feels someone is doing wrong, a company is doing wrong, i think it is fair to debate it and debate it in strong terms. >> equally if another newspaper is doing wrong, it is right to expose it and debate in strong terms. >> yes. >> one of the problems

did lord wyatt say that? or something like that? >> i have no memory of that.f i am right, he was writing this many years afterwards. i would not put too much word on lord wyatt's. >> he was dictating these memoirs. >> he was close to mrs. thatcher. i do not believe that mrs. thatcher had that much time on your hands, but never mind. >> the point he is making is mrs. thatcher defended on your support -- depended on your support and you depended on her support. because of your -- which was just sky but became later, the merging with the two companies. >> i see what he's saying. i do not agree. >> ok. [inaudible] >> to 1990, the november of that year. >> editorials do not read by very many people the much. -- that much. and there were a lot of different opinions being put. >> your company consistently, 36% of the newspaper market. you are the biggest player in 1990 and you are the biggest player now, aren't you? >> if you are talking about newspapers alone? >> yes. >> well, put it this way. [unintelligible] every day. people can stop by my newspapers any time. of