loren steffy host:. guest: i'm not sure where the steel for the keystone pipeline will be manufactured. if i think that project is a long way from actually happening. what we were dealing with, with keystone, was the company has to submit an application to the state department to across the u.s. border. that is where this whole political firestorm erupted a, was over the issue of granting a permit. if one of the things that gets lost in that is even if the permit is granted, that does not mean the pipeline will get built. if you talk to pipeline companies, a lot of people feel that will not actually happen. that once keystone gets the go- ahead, that you would see other existing pipelines that would step up and reversed the flow. a lot of pipelines flow from the gulf into the midwest. what we need now is pipelines that go the other way. as the economic incentives increase for those companies to reverse the flow of the pipelines, we may see that happen and it could hardly take away the need for the keysto