. >> loreta says: i will go to you real quick. this is a big debate in our community. how should we define productivity and value. >> there are particular case for our work programs. we base productivity base on an accepted norm. there are standards for individually every job. as our clients improve our productivity. they move on to our community employment services. that's where we look far particular case whether it's a landscaping crew. they can transition out in to the community and work in a commercial activity. >> is the filtering process here flawed in the way some people are unfairly pipelineed in to these sub minimum wage jobs whose abilities are not properly assessed. >> i think what we're caught in to is we're in a stage of transition where some of the philosophys are changing clearly. there's a hol a whole initiativ. the piece that's important to remember is the labor market is changing dramatically. how you mention productivity. you measure the producttivety for people who have come through office. she has no control over that. so the measures of productiv