>> clearly, loretta lynch didn't deny she had a meeting at the time with bill clinton. the context was different. your point is well taken, that this has become such a partisan thing. i think the attorney general today did a big favor to president trump. i think he added credibility to whatever investigation has now been done, the way that loretta lynch removed herself, that is to live a controversial item. that allowed the fbi jim jim cy to move forward on prosecution. normally, the fbi director has nothing to do with it. now, you are in a situation where the attorney general has said, i will be formal about this and recuse myself. i think that was the right move. he said it was based on the advice of his top aides. i think it was the right move because it will help president trump as this investigation moves forward. >> they said they were considering this move to recuse among his staff before the salt story broke last night. the context of it, mercedes, everything is seen in a political context. the big tuesday nights each, president trump is all across the newspaper

loretta lynch. >> eric: something -- >> juan: loretta lynch basically did the same thing. >> greg: this is bait and switch from the start. they were asking sessions about whether he had discussions with the russians about the campaign. he said in that context he did not. they bait and switch the question so they are saying wait, he talked to the russians as a member of the armed services committee. those are two different things. if they had asked him about that, he would've said oh, yeah, i talked talked to all the amb. i don't even know what i talked about it but had nothing to do with the context of those questions. it was a cheap trick from a party that is bereft of any ideas. this is a walkable strategy of the democratic party. they're going to go after, for the next four years, anything they can. to hit the administration. what drives me crazy is how riled up the democrats are over the russians considering that president obama, when mitt romney talked about the russian threat, president obama said the '80s called and they want their foreign policy back. apparently he was prehistor

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when bill clinton and loretta lynch met at the airport which loretta lynch has said she regrets.tta lynch meeting look like nothing. >> which is exactly why when jeff sessions goes to correct his testimony tomorrow, the administration should just lay out all of the information that they have out there on their own interactions with folks from the russian government, and really try and stop the drip, drip, drip because the story will just keep going. >> true. >> certainly a lot to hear and watch when he does make that testimony tomorrow. susan del percio and howard dean, thank you to both of you. >> thank you. >>> candidate trump considered dropping out of the presidential race. hear the story of who managed to change his mind. break through your allergies. introducing flonase sensimist. more complete allergy relief in a gentle mist you may not even notice. using unique mistpro technology, new flonase sensimist delivers a gentle mist to help block six key inflammatory substances that cause your symptoms. most allergy pills only block one. and six is greater than one. break through

that would've have to have been approved by the attorney general at the time, loretta lynch.hing about the russian pollution is true, nothing. there was nothing found. the server and the trump organization was tapped by the government and another wiretap took place, that's kind of scar scary. who knew what, when the command where needs to be asked, he didn't know appear to speak of the a police state included targeting individuals for political purposes. don't base your investigation on real probable cause for criminal violation. it's based only on political disagreement. if we had partisans running down these investigations, if loretta lynch okayed this in the middle of the presidential campaign, that would indicate that the russians were colluding with paul mena fort ricard a page other people, your passive question why would this done. why would it keep surveilling like the trump team can anyone really think for a moment that loretta lynch would okay this, and not run it by present obama? that doesn't really pass the straight face test. >> one of the most corrupt the justi

you know that loretta lynch -- they knew better than all of this but they did it anyway because they thought they would get away with this impunity. >> sean: what is your take, tom? >> i am not a lawyer but i've been doing scandal work for 20 years almost. i know the hallmarks of a scandal. administration officials, working improperly with outside firm officials. to launder information that they are not allowed to send out and around. this reminds me, the fbi file gate scandal under clinton when they were looking at raw data from espionage files -- here they were accessing raw intelligence data that was protected by the privacy act.th and then they are working withcc congress on this. here you have the elements of the scandal and where this investigation needs to go. not only criminal investigation but getting back to this so-called congressional investigation. whether by intelligenceti committee or select committee, that's what they need to look at.al who the obama administration was working with on the outside and inside to improperly disseminate this classified material. >> sean:

. >> loretta lynch recused herself from any decision regarding hillary clinton because of the meeting of hillary clinton and loretta lynch, who was attorney general at the time, on the tarmac. >> absolutely. but you know there's a possibility that donald trump may go to jeff sessions and say, i want you to stay where you're at, not going to get pushed out. let's not forget that one of donald trump's top aides was a top aide to jeff sessions. somebody close by his side, influencing his policies. we may see that. not sure we're going to see something happen in the next 24 or 48 hours but see if at some point the pressure gets so high that jeff sessions has to. >> and can i just add -- >> quickly. we'll come back. >> loretta lynch, she did say she wouldn't be involved in the decisions but didn't completely remove herself from the investigation, which could be an example of why they potentially need to do it differently this time. >> i meant bill clinton on the tarmac. >> you were right. >> stand by, reporting that attorney general jeff sessions, when he was still senator and adviser to t

headed bid loretta lynch. -- head by loretta lynch.e remember loretta lynch for her meeting on the tarmac with form president bill clinton and f.b.i. comey three days later said there was nothing there on the investigation into hillary clinton. i think all these raise questions. all these are worthy of investigation. one last thing about jeff sessions. he's an american patriot. he's a debt and deficit hawk, military hawk, and he's the last person who will square away in terms of going easy with relations with russia. and i believe his recusal was a good step in generating trust not tomorrow for himself but for this administration. julie: he's a man to stand by his rules. the elected men and women who have met with prution officials including charles schumer, a picture that ended up on the drudge report, then president trump tweeted of him and vladimir putin this week. i think it's the timing of this. the week was starting out well for the administration after the joint session speech. >> what you are saving is certainly true it's a que

. >> jesse: but schumer had a different reaction after loretta lynch had a highly controversial tarmaceeting with bill clinton. >> she said nothing was discussed relating to the investigation. you have a choice to say it didn't matter or she's lying. i don't think she's lying. >> jesse: you are my congressman and i have to put you on the spot here. your fellow new yorker. >> did you vote for me or not. >> jesse: i did not. i am not afraid to say it. your colleague, a new york guy said one thing about loretta lynch and takes her at her word but doesn't take a former colleague jeff sessions at his. hypocritical. >> no, it is not my focus. jesses jess it is my focus. are you dodging. >> it is a distinction between the two. there was not a question of jeff sessions or loretta lynch perjurying and it didn't involve the russians. >> jesse: i will let you slide because you are my congressman and i am terrified of you. you for the problem solver caucus. >> problem solver caucus. >> jesse: where do you see common ground on president trump? >> there are republican and democrats that are on the p

they didn't show any outrage over loretta lynch meeting with bill clinton.day for the democrats. >> bill: thank you, bernie goldberg there in miami. thank you, sir, good to have you on this friday morning. >> shannon: former president george w. bush is popping up everywhere these days. last night he stopped by jimmy kimmel live and kimmel discovered a fact about the former president not many people may know. >> you lived in l.a. for a time in your life when you were a little kid. there is a photograph of you and there you are and you lived not only in l.a. but compton in the heart of l.a. for real, not a joke. when was this? >> i was three. my dad was selling oil field supplies. we also lived in bakersfield. >> you have the gun pointed. you may have been -- you may have been the inspiration for other compton residents. [applause] i feel like maybe you might be the w from nwa. >> shannon: straight out of compton. >> bill: sometimes those lines were set up. that was a funny reaction. >> shannon: when you can see the former commanders in chief they are more fun

doj, loretta lynch. >> bob: that's right. >> eric: it has to come from the fbi and cia.ith -- >> meghan: i'm sure people like you thought the irs wouldn't target tea partiers. they have a long history of doing things like this. not without the realm of possibility. anything would target people because of their political beliefs is capable of anything. >> kimberly: absolutely. and they lie about it. >> brian: the overall sense of i know what you did leading up to this and you weren't playing fair and i'm going to get to the bottom of it, there's only one person who could do it. no one could touch barack obama for eight years. if anyone could do it, donald trump will find out the answer. >> kimberly: why are you so afraid of the truth? >> bob: i like the truth. let's start with his taxes. >> kimberly: you are pivoting. >> eric: doj has to sign off on going to fisa court. >> bob: there is a record of it? >> eric: no. do you think there's a record of every conversation between loretta lynch and president obama? bob. >> kimberly: but he has the authority on fisa. >> bob: you

because your newspapers, comey did, clinton lied, and loretta lynch lied. is the ninth circuit court going to take responsibility? is comey? is the aclu now going to sue our president? are they going to stand up and say we are sorry? people are going to become dead over this stupid thing. there has never been any proof clinton --y in the not the clinton, but the trump group actually committed any crimes by contacting russia, if they did or not. but who is going to stand up and that'm sorry that we held , all these items that have to be done to protect this country? guest: look, i agree that there is no proof that anyone in the trump administration committed crimes or senior advisers did. i never said they did. there are things that probably should be investigated, and they are being investigated by congressional committees. those committees are chaired by republicans, so i do not think they will be unfair investigations. but they should be looked into, unusual aspects of the campaign and trump's team's connections with russia. so that is worth looking into.

loretta lynch was intimidated on the airplane and knows she would be more secure in her job if hillary clinton was president. >> why shouldn't questions fit the devin nunez situation. >> first of all loretta lynch reported into the president in this case so devin nunez is a member of beginning elected independently. his job does not depend on the relationship to the administration. there is a difference here. >> he also sort of called into question his potential impartiality maybe by accident, saying loretta lynch claimed it was not done intentionally, but it called into question wouldn't the investigation be more cred i ible if he shared everything or share this with adam schiff. >> i certainly understand the argument you are making, chuck, but i'm not going to weigh in on this. devin nunez does not report to me. i am going to as a fellow member, i will leave it up to him to do the right thing and i'm sure he will. >> okay. what is the right thing? >> that's for him to decide. >> let me move on to the agenda. paula page said something earlier today. it was about health care. he said t

comey, the newspapers, and loretta lynch lie. is the ninth circuit court going to take responsibility? is comey? is the aclu going to sue our president? for they going to say we are sorry? people are going to become dead over this. there has never been any proof the trump group actually committed any crimes by , if they didssia or not. it who is going to say "i am sorry that we held back all this , these items that have to be done to protect this country." >> there is no proof that they committed any crimes or that his senior advisers did and i have never said they did and i don't think most response will people say they did. there are things that should be investigated and they are being investigated by congressional committees. they are chaired by republicans so it won't be fair investigations but there are things they should look into. there are unusual aspects of the campaign. trump let his national security adviser go partly over russia related matters. that is worth looking into but i agree. you shouldn't accuse anyone of a

could president obama or loretta lynch have done that? congressman hoekstra: loretta lynch, the president, susan rice. those are the kinds of people that could have requested it. because remember the thing here is, the information made it to the white house. that's the important thing, so most likely, that's where the request came from to unmask it, or someone else who had unmasked it said, this is really interesting stuff. you guys at the white house ought to take a look at it. liz: you see the implication here, and i read your op-ed in the "wall street journal" that they did it undercover of looking into russia but doing a fishing expedition to find anything to damage the president and his team. the question is how rare is it to see actual names showing up in raw intelligence. you've seen that, they usually redact it, and this, what politicians at the white house may have seen it? >> well, number one, in my ten years in congress and seven years in the gang of 8, so seeing the most classified information possible, and i checked with my o

let's be clear loretta lynch was not part of a transition team.d a meeting that appeared sloppy, appearances terrible. him dropping down in the dead of night, i guess what i'm telling you is she recused herself. i'm eager to see him not only recuse himself from this investigation. >> that's not what schiff wanted. >> i'm telling you what i want. >> the house is going to be irrelevant. it wouldn't be the first time. but they are going to be irrelevant. the senate could take over and you could have an independent investigation also republicans don't want because those things tend to grow and grow and grow. i don't think the white house would want it or republicans want it. they could be backing into that now. >> a quick break. up next, the new tone from the white house after failing to get obamacare replaced and what the next fight is on tax reform. [ upbeat music ] strut past that aisle for the allergy relief that starts working in as little as 30 minutes and contains the best oral decongestant. live claritin clear, with claritin-d. ( ♪ ) i moved u

president obama allowed attorney general loretta lynch to change the way u.s.ntelligence agencies share unconfirmed data. that happened in january, just a few days before president obama left office. it used to be, the intelligence agencies would guard their secrets. now, the nsa can give them to other agencies, even if the intelligence is not confirmed. the results, leaks sprouting all over the place. leaks that are damaging to the trump administration. so, why did president obama change the intel standards? we don't know. but donald trump apparently believes that was to sabotage his incoming administration. that's it. that's the only factual information we can give you. all the rest is lather, opinion, propaganda, speculation. now, the entire tawdry mass is based on the russian hacking, which bedeviled the cloven campaign. as stated, some anti-trump people accuse the president at his acolytes of working with the russians. but yesterday, the former director of national intelligence under president obama said he found no evidence of that. >> does intelligence e

because your newspapers, comey did, clinton lied, and loretta lynch lied. is the ninth circuit court going to take responsibility? is comey? is the aclu now going to sue our president? are they going to stand up and say we are sorry? people are going to become dead over this stupid thing. there has never been any proof clinton --y in the not the clinton, but the trump group actually committed any crimes by contacting russia, if they did or not. but who is going to stand up and that'm sorry that we held , all these items that have to be done to protect this country? guest: look, i agree that there is no proof that anyone in the trump administration committed crimes or senior advisers did. i never said they did. there are things that probably should be investigated, and they are being investigated by congressional committees. those committees are chaired by republicans, so i do not think they will be unfair investigations. but they should be looked into, unusual aspects of the campaign and trump's team's connections with russia. so that is worth looking into.

that is not something that loretta lynch. after she had a meeting with with the husband of someone under investigation. at least jeff session ises held himself to a standard. but the other piece, is that he knew what he was saying nothing that meeting. he thought they were talking about campaign operatives meeting with russian people. >> lou: we ran the full clip of of senator frankin on the breaking news and he was laughing about the absurdedly of the context himself, leslie. you talked about a closed door meeting, but it had 2 or 3 of his associates and staff members with him in meeting with the ambassador. >> yes, he did. and this is part of the bigger problem, lou. how come they didn't come forward and he didn't remember that and now he's remembering what he did or did not say. i have two children. 8 and 9. if they had said something to me in the context in which the attorney general did, i would consider it a lie and this is why. >> you are a tough, tough, tough. woah. there is no -- are you saying that your children lie

i think loretta lynch was right. there is a way for officials and local municipalities to work together to make sure that century city's can serve their purpose that they can come out of the shadows to report crimes and work with others. when they backed them. what jessica is saying if you go full bill after the misdemeanor then you don't get the immigrant community stepping forward and saying we've got bad guys in the backyard here. but they're too afraid of getting caught out and be turned in. the interesting fact about that is the largest municipal area the local officials are were right out protecting the legal aliens. the county refused to operate on that? >> teeming people that were the only law they violated or someone who have committed a crime. they committed crimes and i think you can look at the records all over it comes to a lot of these looker -- local mayors. it doesn't really matter what you do. even if they are in the county jails. i think it's problematic on many factors. i want to say on this point

. >> should've loretta lynch recused him self when she met with a woman who is under criminal investigation and never told the dam soul? >> i don't know what one has to do with the other. >> jeff sessions lied under oath or. >> he did not lie under oath. >> he lied under oath. then when he resubmitted the testimony he said the same thing. listen -- >> so was that alive when she said she didn't sit. >> she wasn't under oath. >> so you can my to the american public. >> there's a difference. >> next, it is one of the most powerful tools our species has created. and now we unleash it on your taxes. hello my name is watson. yep. h&r block and ibm watson together. come see us and get your taxes won. >> welcome back to justice. i am joined by by former trump campaign spokesperson, you worked with president on his campaign, did you ever wake up that he had tweeted something really what should i say, what adjective should i use? maybe shocking that you had to respond to in a matter of hours. does this surprise surprise you that this is still happening? >> no, not at all. in fact you can check the ta

it would of -- involve obama, loretta lynch, eric holder.rything that's gone on during eight years, the country has gone into a tailspin. i'm 78 years old. i have been watching this stuff for many, many years. instead of going out here, put facts out there. not something that is going to somebody's head. host: we try to do that here at c-span. i appreciate the call. thanks for watching. hopefully you will understand that we try to be balanced and fair with everyone. thank you for phoning in this morning. caller: yup. host: tweet from another viewer -- host: here's more with senator jeff sessions, courtesy of msnbc as he spoke briefly to reporters as he headed to the justice department from his home. [video clip] have not met with any russians at anytime to discuss any political campaign. those remarks are unbelievable to me. i don't have anything else to say about that. >> [inaudible] recuse yourself from the agency probe [inaudible] >> i have said that when there is a probe, if it's appropriate, i will recuse myself. no doubt about that. ho

. >> should've loretta lynch recused him self when she met with a woman who is under criminal investigation and never told the dam soul? >> i don't know what one has to do with the other. >> jeff sessions lied under oath or. >> he did not lie under oath. >> he lied under oath. then when he resubmitted the testimony he said the same thing. listen -- >> so was that alive when she said she didn't sit. >> she wasn't under oath. >> so you can my to the american public. >> there's a difference. >> next, a former campaign spokesperson joins us live. don't go away gel insoles have ae gel wave design for outrageous comfort that helps you feel more energized. dr. scholl's. feel the energy! (vo)have to happen?idn't i didn't see it. (vo) what if we could go back? what if our car... could stop itself? in iihs front-end crash prevention testing, nobody beats the subaru impreza. not toyota. not honda. not ford. the all-new subaru impreza. more than a car, it's a subaru. a 401(k) is the most sound way to go. let's talk asset allocation. -sure. you seem knowledgeable, professional. would you trust me as you

men and women in the united states senate who when their last attorney general, the democrats loretta lynch was meeting with president clinton when there was not just appearance but conflicts of interest abounding, they did nothing. they sat on their hands and covered for the attorney general. that was perfectly fine. lou: we found in just a quick brush this afternoon, eight instances which they refused to recuse and also refused independent counsel. let's turn to this claire mccaskill saying this today tweeting, i've been on the armed services -- can we put this up for the audience, please? if we may, let's turn to this tweet from 2013, the senator claire mccaskill said this -- this from 2015, mccaskill again tweeting calls -- now we need to know more about the iran deal and the senator from missouri. this is outrageous what the democrats are doing and i can't even imagine tolerating this. how these people must react as they cross paths in the aisles of the u.s. senate or the house of representatives. >> lou, they've never let the facts get in the way of a good story. look, they all believ

-- filled in for loretta lynch. some question about her relationship with the white house. a memo from the justice department and sean spicer saying he hopes she testifies, a quote from him and the white house knows problem with sally yates testifying and will monitor the briefing. sean spicer talking about tax reforms that it records the low pressure is -- reconciliation process is the most likely. you can watch that atv.gov. steve mnuchin is asked to review the process for the too big to fail. this is bloomberg. ♪ david: this is bloomberg markets. trump's first 100 days area i am david gura. was urgingproposal the administration to rethink too big to fail designation will stop gop lawmakers -- designation. -- gop lawmakers that steve mnuchin needs to review the costs associated with a label under the dodd frank. jesse westbrook. treasury of debts treasury secretary -- treasury secretary can change it? jesse: he has authority. there is not authority under the biggest banks and they get the designation which subject

. >> jesse: but schumer had a very different reaction after then-attorney general loretta lynch had hery criticized tarmac meeting with president clinton during the investigation last year. >> she has said nothing was discussed relating to the investigation.ch you have two choices, to say this doesn't matter or she's lying. i don't think she is lying. >> joining us with reaction, democratic new york congressman. you are my congressman, so i have to put you on the spot here. >> your vote for me or not? >> jesse: i did not. i'm not afraid to say it. but your colleague, new york guy, he says one thing about loretta lynch, takes her at her word, but then does not take jeff sessions at his word. a little hypocritical, wouldn't you say? >> i would not say. i would say they can be separated. >> jesse: but that is my focus. >> not a dodge. there wasn't a case or a question of whether or not jeff sessions perjured himself or the roger lynch perjured herself. different situations and didn't involve national security and the russians and things like that. >> martha: no mexico won hillary's that. y

we know loretta lynch signed off on that.ere's the issue, the media keeps focusing on obama wiretapped tweet, very upset about that, that he was reckless. there is a broader story about surveillance and whether or not the obama administration or anybody in the administration used the cover of russia to do spying about on trump and his team about other issues, right? larry: right, to vilify president trump for using the generic term wiretapi use that too because that's what the amicaneople understand. wiretaps are not done anymore, it's done through electronic surveillance. there has been the surveillance with telephonic metadata as edward snowden revealed with regard to internet communications, social media, that's legitimate if you're doing it when there is probable cause that a crime is being committed or communications with terrorists are occurring, but these intelligence agencies, during the obama administration in particular, were surveying all americans and prominent americans like president trump then a businessman lik

their hand and i'm with bill o'reilly, this is hypocrisy, they didn't show nanna outrage over loretta lyncheeting with bill clinton, not a good day for the democrats. >> jenna: what you think about that? is there a double standard? is it possible to compare the two stories? >> sure, but i think the democrats are showing hypocrisy, because they didn't show any inclination for loretta lynch to recuse herself after that awful appearance with bill clinton during the email investigation. i think the press made a very big deal about that. there was a huge story for days and days and days. i think what's remarkable here, just 48 hours ago, we were all talking about how the pundits on the left and the right were praising donald trump's speech to congress and you got a rare shining moment in this environment. this "washington post" story completely wipe that out. i will say the attorney general saw better than the white house and recused himself, this firestorm would continue to build. whether he did anything wrong or not, he didn't have any choice. it has taken some air out of the story. >> jenna:

there is no way that loretta lynch advocated violence.he may have advocated peaceful protests, but there is no way i would believe that. i also wanted to say with respect to the president's allegation that he was targeted at trump tower. that is a fallacy. the former national security adviser was intercepted because he was talking to an agent of a foreign power. that person may have been wiretapped, legally. the same thing could have happened if the president-elect at the time, before the candidate was talking to asians of a foreign power. without him being the target of the interception, if he was talking to somebody who is already covered by the order, he could easily have been recorded. oft: the former director national intelligence, james clapper was on nbc yesterday, talking about the tweets from over the weekend, talking about the claims of wiretapping by the president. here is what he had to say. >> let me start with the tweets, yesterday. this idea that president obama ordered an illegal wiretap. if something like that happened, w

even the democrats have to know how hypocritical they are by coming down on sessions but ignoring loretta lynchor almost the exact same thing, by the way, because we don't know what mrs. lynch and mr. clinton talked about. nobody was there. it wasn't recorded. and we don't know at this point, although i tend to believe mr. sessions, that there wasn't any campaign chat with the russian ambassador. so hypocrisy off the chart. but again, sessions did the right thing. and, you know, the trump administration has got to convince people, mr. dupree,mi that it is in business to represent all americans, not just a segment of them. >> i think that's right. and, look, bill, i think this is good coming off the heels of the president's speech to the joint sessions of congress. the attorney general's remarks today fall into that category, they will be reasonable, take the interest of all the peopleda into account to make decisions based on the best of the country. >> bill: what i expect to hear tomorrow, mr. von spakovsky, a spin from the left, saying because the attorney general recused himself, he is someh

they ran a story about loretta lynch. said she was the loretta lynch named to run the jxtd that was completely wrong. the fact that the president is relying so overwhelmingly on this site for his news about pivotal national security issues and pivotal security issues is unprecedented. it's not the way most presidents get their information about intel and the larger root issue is that the president has long telegraphed an extremely low level of confidence in the american intelligence community. he's extremely skeptical. we know he's often been prone to believing conspiracy theories. believing there are nefarious forces at work that we don't have good information on and that's a level of suspicion and distrust that's very much of a piece that the way breitbart covers these issues. it makes sense that he would rely on them. it's something that i imagine would give many observers pause. >> stick around. we have more to discuss, we'll be back in just a few. >>> coming up, attorney general jeff sessions set to meet with the pre

and problems, and i might add, congressman schiff was a big backer of hillary clinton, and when loretta lynch with president clinton on the tarmac, they said, oh, she'll do the right thing. >> none of this has to do with russia, first of all. what nunes is talking about, has nothing to do with the investigation that he's supposed to be doing on his committee. >> the problem is he should have, really, it seems like the more reasonable way to handle this would have been to go back to the committee with the information, discuss it with other people, have other people look at it. because other people interpret things differently. we are going on his interpretation of what he saw. >> brian, was his responsibility to be as chairman of the committee to the chairman of the committee as part of that committee he serves or to brief president trump. >> only to -- congressman schiff is someone who has a pretty good reputation on both sides of the aisle, as someone who is sober, serious, has a prosecutor's temperament. what we saw from congressman nunes -- >> when the shoe was on the other foot, his first

loretta lynch spent 25 minutes on the plane and they discussed golf and grandchildren and other things and she had to recuse herself. that led to the fbi director james comey being in charge of that investigation. certainly, no matter what they discussed, it doesn't really matter whether they discussed politics or armed svs committee matters, he is going to be under increasing pressure to recuse himself. what has started is a political firestorm. we know that there was so much democratic opposition from jeff segs. they could not stop him from being confirmed. they are against him on so many other issues. >> same group will stay with us and we'll continue after this. >>> we are back. this two-pronged breaking news story having to do with the russian subject as a whole. first story about intelligence in the closing days of the obama administration. the second story about the now attorney general jeff sessions. we've heard from senator elizabeth warren. we need general ksh attorney general jeff sessions who should never have been confirmed in the first place to resign. we need it now. and

and when loretta lynch meet with president clinton on the tarmac, they said, oh, she'll do the rightng. >> chairman nunes was on the trump transition team. >> there's politics afloat. >> none of this has to do with russia, first of all. what nunes is talking about, has nothing to do with the investigation that he's supposed to be doing on his committee. >> the problem is he should have, really, it seems like the more reasonable way to handle this would have been to go back to the committee with the information, discuss it with other people, have other people look at it. because other people interpret things differently. we are going on his interpretation of what he saw. we don't know. someone else might look at it and say this isn't a big deal. >> brian, was his responsibility to be as chairman of the committee to the chairman of the committee as part of that committee he serves or to brief president trump. >> certainly to the committee, if only to protect the appearance of the independence of the investigation. congressman schiff is someone who has a pretty good reputation on both s

. >> why don't we use the loretta lynch rule here. the way the republicans dealt with -- remember that tarmac conversation that loretta lynch had with bill clinton on the plane, how a lot of these same republicans who are saying let's pump the brakes here and not draw any conclusions. said that she was a completely discredited force in the justice department. look -- >> and they had a point. she made a mistake by letting the president on her plane. >> to karen's point, either one of jeff sessions' two explanations for this, and we have two, maybe bordering on three based on what he said this morning, are not good news for them. did he forget talking to the russian ambassador twice. something he forgot? if he was not able to recall that, that speaks to a question of his capacity to remember events that occurred. and if he misled or tried to parse or get too cute on this answer, it again raises the question, why? why did he do that? we are dealing with a situation particularly at doj. you can have a hud secretary or a secretary of the i

, all of this comes months after jeff sessions called for the recusal of then attorney general loretta lynch after she met with bill clinton on the tarmac while the fbi was probing hillary clinton's private e-mail server. now clearly he is caught in the middle of this political fire storm. we will have to wait and see what he announces at this press conference coming up shortly at the department of justice. of course, he has repeatedly said if it is appropriate, he will recuse himself from any investigation. he has not commit today recusing himself yet f. that does happen from anything involving russia. we'll have to see what happens at d.o.j. >> obviously we're going to bring attorney general sessions to you live when he steps before the lectern there. pamela brown, stick around. i want to bring in some of the my panelists now, amanda carpenter. maybe it's that i'm cynical and been in this town a long time. and parsing going on. i didn't meet with russians to discuss anything having to do with the political campaign. that doesn't mean he didn't speak to the russians about crimea or sanction

loretta lynch was not saying so.hat she was saying a point of fact, people have bled and died for access to civil right in this country. we have a member of congress right now who bled on the edmund pettus bridge for voting rights in a lot of ways people are continuing to fight for today. melissa: i'm not sure -- brawl to the left of you is what that is. moving on to our second topic, urging the irs to illegally leak trump tax returns. "new york times" columnist, nicholas kristof taking to twitter saying if you're in the irs and have a certain president's tax return you would like to leak, here is my address. noelle, i think the left comes back and says, well, donald trump got out there and said, hey, russians if you have hillary clinton's 33,000 emails how ishat not the same thing as this? >> well, one thing i think, melissa, donald trump said that off-the-cuff. literally no wonder donald trump hates "new york times." i mean this is one of the worst things he could do. and you they, putting that out there, putting t

and that basically knocked loretta lynch out of action.athway for james comey to find the microphone and comment on stuff. and what we've seen with devin nunes and this white house is really in my book a thousand times worse. chairman nunes should have known that when he was offered this he shouldn't have stepped forward without adam schiff, without consultation with his committee, without thinking about what his responsibilities were in this. and so it's very, very interesting when you look at just a recent case involving clinton and lynch in a democratic period, a democratic tenured president, now we're about 70 days into trump-land and we've got an extraordinary moment where potentially the white house has compromised the leading investigation right now into all sorts of issues. so i don't know how it will come out, but i do know this is feeling like, you know, we're speculating feeling like a very nixonian time where you imagine people sitting around with modern -- >> you know, chris, the point that i find suspicious with nunes is this