but the story of loretta wagner in st. louis is very telling about how people can try to reach common ground on a very difficult issue and how somebody who is pro-life can accomplish something beyond the political sphere. isaacson jones was head of the largest abortion clinic in my state. lorett wagner was head of citizens for life. a very -- just died recently, wonderful person, very devout roman catholic. they got to know each other and they struck up a friendship, and they worked on things together. placed on its premises, to give an alternative to young women that it doesn't have to be abortion, it can be adoption. is really substantial land i am sure it prevented a number of abortions by doing it. it came from the depths of loretta wagner's faith. in the goodness of her heart and the ability of two very different people to try to figure out if there is something we can agree on. >> host: it is a compelling story. there are many believe is that people of faith who feel very strongly about the abortion issue. about huma

loretta wagner was head of the first -- was a very wonderful person, very devout. they got to know each other, they struck up a friendship despite this major difference and they worked on things together. for example the abortion clinic placed on its premises and adoption service to give an alternative to young women that it doesn't have to be abortion, it can be adoption. that is substantial and i am sure it prevented a number of abortions by doing it and it came from the depths of loretta wagner's faith in the goodness of her heart and the ability of two very different people to try to figure out if there is something we can agree on than there was. >> host: that is a compelling story but what would you tell people? there are many many believers, people of faith who feel very strongly about the abortion issue, cumin life, they can't separate political realm. >> i would say i honor that, i agree with it. i am pro-life, but where can you do the most good in furthering your god? where can you accomplish that? are there some dead end streets which are going to keep t