loretta wagner was the head of missouri citizens for life. he was a very -- just died recently, wonderful person, dear person, very devout roman catholic. and they got to know each other, and they struck up a friendship despiting this major difference, and they worked on things together. for example, the abortion clinic placed in its -- on its premises an adoption service to give an alternative to young women that it doesn't have to be abortion. it can be adoption. that's really substantial. and i'm sure it prevented a number of abortions by doing it. and it came from the depths of loretta wagner's faith and the goodness of her heart and the ability of two very different people to try to figure out, is there something we can agree on? and there was... i am pro-life but where can you do the most good in furthering your cause? where can you accomplished the most? are there some dead end streets which are going to keep the battle going but you are not going to get anywhere? are there some constructive things that you can do that change a culture