a lotgoing to have to be of distance to get it closed right now that really -- >> what about ammunition clips? is that going to get a vote is mark -- vote? >> i think, yes. it is not about whether it will give votes, the president was forceful. is argument that he made difficult one for opponents of stricter gun laws to refute. most americans see this as a matter of yes thomas less how -- yes, let's have our representatives of both this up or down. it is about whether it meets the threshold of past. it does not seem to have a lot to support. >> immigration reform, this is from a conservative saying i am not going to talk about this other stuff until we confirm that the border is secure. >> that was one of the most fascinating part of the interview when three of us attempted to press senator coburn about what he means by a concrete, deliverable weight to secure the border, he suggested this every year congress of verifying. frankly, what i was attempting to get at and question the idea that congress is asked to do something through a regular process every year procedurally whether it is