. >> lou dobbs thinks your immigration measure is too dracony. lou dobbs, who has spent years of his life, trying to get dora the explorer deported. >> of course, he's doing that because you disagree with senators john mccain, lindsey graham, mitch mcconnell, who are saying, let's look at the constitution. >> i don't have a problem with looking at any right and examining it. so the purpose is to bolster the public's understanding and knowledge of those rights, which i think is clearly needed here. the idea of denying citizenship to those who are permitted citizenship under the citizenship clause of the 14th amendment. i'm a law and order guy. i want our borders secured. i want the laws enforced. i want the american people represented and all their interests. it's not in the interest of the american people, in my judgment, at least, to roll back laws. because the result may be inconvenient to some and their political views. including mine, frankly. i don't think that that's the way to proceed. >> let me play devil's advocate for a second. those ma

and lou dobbs. let me begin with yesterday. deliberations, he gets out on 1 count out of 23. and one juror who said i'm not going to do it. >> when you lock up on 23 and they get him on 1. there seems to be a feeling of great disappointment in the media, for that one count of lying to federal prosecutors. >> it's still five years. >> five years of prison. that doesn't seem to be a bad prosecutorial result. >> well patrick fitzgerald said, the stories that you will hear, would make abe lincoln roll over in his grave. >> yeah. this thing is you have to prove it in court. you have to get people to say you proved it in court. it sounds like a mistrial. it sounds like they'll try it again. we'll see what happens. like what we did on prop 8. you can say what you want in the media. but you ultimately have to come into a courtroom. and that's where the truth is. you can't just spew things. you have to have facts, backed up by evidence. >> of course, you had a judge, not a jury in california, for proposition 8. on the issue of gay marri

we have to get our own lou dobbs on the air, and we have to get him educating the people on the pluses and how immigrants are the backbone of this country. i am going to close out the hearing. this concludes tonight's symposium. on behalf of my fellow commissioners, we thank you for coming here. i would like to thank our assemblyman, the staff, the san francisco board of supervisors, david chew, our speaker and our panelists, our partners and collaborators, and most of all to the members of the audience and immigrant communities who are represented for which we exist, thank you for coming here this evening. we have learned a lot and are well educated for going forward. please look for a written report on these proceedings by the end of the meeting. also we look forward to a report on april 13, 2009 of the joint hearing with the human rights commission by the end of the year. thank you all for coming here this evening. [applause] >> the meeting is adjourned.