. >> so i think, you know, i thought it was interesting the way that lou hagen, the deputy prime minister rayner, was sort of thrown under the bus a little bit, but well, indeed transport minister, transport secretary criticised p&o, said they're a rogue operator, urged people to boycott them. >> the only problem is the prime minister wants the head of p&o and the parent company to be at this investment conference. this coming week, a right royal dust up. do you think keir starmer is ever going to get the hang of politics? >> well, that that will remain to be seen. he wasn't my choice for leader. i never thought he was a good leader. i said this was a go