i could play like harry james, miles, louie armstrong. >> rose: what you wanted was your own sound?> i didn't know that at the time. i was just looking for something. i heard less paul, mary, the record "how high the moon" and les was layering his guitar many times, i tried that at home. i had two tape machines, i dubbed it back and forth and got the sound and that was the genesis of the tijuana brass sound. >> rose: when you heard it, you knew that was you and what you wanted? >> well, i didn't know that exactly at the the time. i knew i was on to something that felt good for me and i didn't know that till the lonely bull, the letter from the lady and the follow-up records and letters from the people who liked the music and i started getting my courage up. >> rose: you've done it all. you have been a businessman, a musician, a broadway producer, a painter. >> i still am a painter and a sculptor. >> rose: which one of those defines you the most? >> i think all three. i'm a right-brained guy. mayb95% in the right side of my brain. >> rose: do they feed each other? >> i get that feeli