but i know louie goemer. he's the kind of guy who is going to continue to dig and dig and dig. >> watch it. >> he didn't use the word racist. >> watch it. >> he implied it. >> he did it -- what did he say? >> what other president and attorney general, black and black, have had that scrutiny? >> that's your assumption, the black and black. >> oh, please. there was no race involved? >> do i think there are times when he may believe that because he's black he gets a harder job? probably there is. do i believe there are times when he does? yes. >> bob, bob, bob. >> because he's black? there's no evidence to justify that statement. >> forget if he's black or white. you called him a good attorney general. >> yes. >> fast and furious we handed over guns to drug lords and k l killed border agents. still looking for the perpetrators of benghazi. the irs scandal, lois lerner who reports to him, he refuses to find out what's going on. what's good about this guy? >> every one of those things you identify, the congress of

. >> louie goemer trying to redefine the separation of church and state. >> thomas jefferson came tohere. the guy hwho coined the phrase church and state. >> do you know what that means? >> it was to be a one way wall. >> that doesn't make sense. >> but the church would certainly play a role in the state. jefferson had a little different idea of what separation of church and state meant. >> wrong sir, wrong. >> the number two trender, shot down. >> it is a 21st century kind of hunting. >> it's a bird, it's a plane. >> the town is split on whether or not to sell licenses to allow anyone to shoot down drones. >> they are coming to a sky near you. >> a town to legalize drone hunting. >> that's what i think we look like, is a bunch of idiots. >> over womhelming vote. 73% no. >> and place your wager. >> i'm determined to do my part to lift wages and improve take home pay any wayky. if we're going to do right we need congress on board. it would lift millions of people out of poverty right away. you would think it's a no brainer. >> faces tough competition. >> if you do what the president w

. >>> attorney general eric holder accused of playing the race card of louie goemer suggested that mrlder doesn't care about being held in contempt of congress. >> it is important that we have proper oversight so -- >> you don't want to go there. okay? >> i don't want to go there? >> no. >> about the contempt? >> you should not assume that, that is not a big deal to me. >> the very next day, mr. holder went off script at an event for al sharpton's network accusing the congressman and others on unwarranted attacks not just on the president. >> the last five years have been defined by significant strides and by lasting reforms even in the face, even in the face of unprecedented, unwarranted, ugly and da vie sieve adversity. look how the attorney general of the united states was treated yesterday but a house committee. had nothing to do with me. what attorney general had to deal with that kind of treatment? [ applause ] >> what president has ever had to deal with that kind of treatment? >> joining me now to respond, texas republican congressman louie go mer. your thoughts? >> megyn, i ha

animosity boiled over this past week in an exchange between the attorney general eric holder and louie goemerempt is not a big deal to our attorney general, but it is important we have proper oversight. >> you don't want to go there, okay? >> i don't want to go there? >> no. >> about the contempt? >> you should not assume that -- that that is not a big deal to me. >> let me ask you -- >> the time of the gentleman has expired, unfortunately. >> joining me now, msnbc contributor jimmy williams and ron christie, who served as special assistant to george w. bush. i'll reach out to you, jimmy, first, the attorney general going off script at the national action network summit. let's take a listen. >> i am pleased to note that the last five years have been defined by significant strides and by lasting reforms. even in the face, even in the face of unprecedented, unwarranted, ugly and divisive adversity. if you don't believe that, forget about me, forget about me. you look at the way the attorney general of the united states was treated yesterday by a house committee. had nothing to do with me. forge