there's a louie lamour novel on his bedside table. there's a place setting each night set for him. his cars are all gassed up and ready to go. >> this is fascinating to hear you talk about this again. very measured. i'm tempted to ask if you believe that there is a legitimate mass in the broadest sense to this as a religion. a lot of discussion as to whether any religion when you get right down to it is any more legitimate than any other. the description of this as a church or this as a religion strike you as an appropriate way to describe it? >> well, of course there's only one opinion that matters and that's the i.r.s. [laughter]. to an agency -- >> i thought that you were going to say the individual. [laughter]. i guess i got that wrong. >> the agency very ill equipped to make such distinctions. but in my opinion, yes there are aspects of religion that scientology responds to. >> yeah. >> it's the sense of communities. >> right. >> there is a body of scripture which is the vast ouvre of l ron hubbard. before the church got its tax exemption, they went through a period of religio