know of louis hartz as a book published ins tradition in amera was very influential one and you for kindus version of american history as basally political and economic liberalism. and i write a book about the illiberal tradition in america pretty quickly. i learned that that was probably not the best approach, including when i a presentation on zoom my to the other fellows and got some know suggestions from themuld try toe book starts with a tradition in thes and then goes back into century just to push you a little more. okay, what liberals and liberalism is. there were a lot of her labor that we use when we think about people who were on the. right. whether you were talking conservative far fascists, even popust, a phrase that i bet you certainly can't very comfortable with because know that in the 19th century there was a strong pulisth illiy also to me that there are some how we distinguish libs andking a lot of illiberal people that you would call that a believed7 in free speech and would defend it for themselves. bothls often had a very individualist approach to. what makes change