. >> brown: ann louise bardach, what's your reading of it? it looks as though the pope pushed a bit and then the government pushed back some. what do you see? >> well, i think you have to look at this visit relative tort n.g.o. in cuba. >> brown: nick miroff, tell us a little bit more about that, about the role of the church, ien, how it has changed. how much clout does it have? >> well, ironically, even though i think, you know, the number of cubans who regularly attend mass is something like less than 10%, the institutional profile of the church has increased in recent years, and that's mostly because the cuban government, especially raul castro, has sought and that is interested, i think, in having a partner who can help both cope with the changes that the-- the economic changes that the government is trying to do here, and generate support for those types of reforms, and, also, i think the government is very much worried about what they would call an erosion in values, and is also looking to the church for help, and trying to find common