and louise and i ran against each other, and well, sometimes you get hurt in politics, and i always thought george miller was a very good friend of mine, and he ran her campaign. so, he wasn't that good a friend of mine. anyway, it was -- louise was very, very, as you know, she's still in congress, and she's very, very talented. but i was -- that was a tough race. it really was. and i think i won by one vote or something. >> it was really close, right? who ran your campaign? >> i think -- i don't think anybody ran my campaign. i was vice chairman. i thought i was going to go in -- like stenny didn't think -- you never know what people are going to do, but i don't think anybody ran my campaign. >> did you enjoy that aspect of -- >> yes. >> of going out and convincing colleagues? >> i enjoyed being in leadership. i wanted to be in leadership. and then you realize the next woman that came into leadership a few years later was nancy pelosi, and she went right up. oh, wonderful. now, that was something i was so thrilled about. so, she and i went to the same college, and we knew each other before congress, and