charts in the stock you look at that tiffany would would be well poised to actually take that offer louve aton stock has been doing great for a long time and tiffany is had a high of $140.00 and with this offer it now brings up $230.00 so you know just looking from that with the numbers it seems to make sense and i don't know how much higher they could go as far as the offer now what it comes down to i think is more of the intangible where we're looking at what is the name recognition of tiffany it's been around for a long time it's a solid solid name a lot of people know of it has a good reputation and i think it comes down to is luva tahn do they really want that name and do they want that kind of clientele that comes with it and they might just have to pay more to have that kind of name recognition for such a long time and bring it on board and that way the $2.00 of them actually maybe are better together in the big picture in the long run. and then finally we have this other dying segment we got to talk about here printing and paper business ulit packard just rejected as iraq's offer sayin