i had the opportunity the -- to visit lowell. fell in love with what has occurred in that city in partnership with the private sector and the national park service. i think that it is absolutely a model of how a city that was struggling economically, the investment of the national park service came in and restore national pride and invested economically in the city. it has turned things around. there is no way you could have done it alone. in each of these cases -- lowell is a great example -- there are models of the agency bringing something to the table and restoring a piece of history and integrating it. we saw that in lowells. . it stands up there with the top few in the country. it is totally integrated into the city. we are testing these models. in richmond, california, we are integrating with the city. >> it is important to remember as you pursue this as a model the ways in which the national park represents the federal government. it plays a role and insights expanded investment in the state and local government. it is a

his lawyer abbe lowell saw it. said he liked it. said there are a few issues he had with it, but he never told me exactly what they were. so i don't know yet. i know a number of people close to jack have seen it. some like it, some don't. >> if they don't like it, what's the reason? >> well, some people like jack feel it's too tough on him. it doesn't go very easy on jack, but i think that's fair and just. >> is it accurate to describe the prosecution of jack abraaoff as coming from a justice department that was run by republicans? >> yeah. i think that's accurate. there's no doubt that the department of justice that came after jack abramoff was during the -- was during the period of george w. bush. that's a republican administration. >> we heard a lot of criticism of the justice department during george bush's administration. have we heard any positive things about the fact that inside that justice department, jack abramoff and the rest of these people we've been talking about were prosecuted? and iffso, if we haven't heard it, why

. >> lowell, massachusetts. danielle, a democrat. caller: i am glad to be able to get in. i hope i get to say everything i have to say. i completely disagree with your guest. for the last 10 years i have had cnbc and c-span on over 20,000 hours. i saw him push for the second bush term. i disagree with the statistics about jobs being made. the bush tax cut of $1.50 trillion only brought nine% -- 9% of jobs to the united states. the rest went looking for yields by buying up chop up mortgages. and commodities like copper went from 85 cents to over $3. and that is what they were putting their money in. they drove up oil from $28 a barrel to $146 -- host: cupp to a conclusion. -- come to a conclusion. caller: the republicans gave us $10 trillion of the $12 trillion we are in debt and now obama has taken what the bush people did, of putting the debt in and run-style off balance sheet accounting, he put it on the balance sheet -- enron- style. host: we got the point. guest: i think daniel has won fair point that i would agree with, is both parties -- danielle has won a fair point