so remember the famous vice presidential debate with loyd and dan quail, and lloyd had the great line and saying senator i knew jack hannity. i was a friend of jack kennedy and you are no jack kennedy. that was a great line but we lose what is the substance of what we are talking. about what is so important is democracy. democracy right now is imperiled. so i think these debates are still important. many people will watch the debates, but unfortunately my fear is that partisanship become so high and so harsh in the country people are watching just to specifically cheer on their own side. whatever side that might be. and after the debate there really is no objective winner or loser because it's only going to be viewed through the prism of partisan politics. >> gotcha moments. newton, i wonder what you think about that. i know that you've spoken in the past, and written in the past about the gotcha moment season control of things. but what is your sense of what the debate might do now and what you are afraid it might break down into? >> you have got to start with one fact. that is that