also with us, lucia osborne crowley, who is herself a rape survivor, although i should stress nothing with this case, and she reports on the lot regarding celebrity cases like this one. welcome to you both. professor, can i start with you? we must be careful with this because it is for the police to decide whether there has been any criminality here and there is due process we must respect. but what would you say about the many examples we have played today on the bbc of his example on air at the height of his fame? >> nothing short of horrific, apparent. i am very conscious i'm interviewing alongside a rate survivor -- rape survivor. i can only imagine the mental anguish one must be feeling when they look back and hear you talking about how she is a grown woman, she understands what she thought she knew she didn't know. the truth is, though, the people in power should also be held to account. people can behave in a certain way if they are not outed, especially in the public eye. this is reminiscent of other people in the past who have been in power. i remember michael jackson. the pe

also with us lucia osborne—crowley, who herself is a rape survivor, though i should stress nothing to this case, and now reports on the law surrounding celebrity cases like this one. welcome to you both. professor, we must be careful because it is for the police to decide whether there has been any criminality and there is due process we must respect. but what would you say about the many examples we have played today on the bbc of his behaviour on air at the height of his fame?— bbc of his behaviour on air at the height of his fame? nothing short of horrific, apparent. _ height of his fame? nothing short of horrific, apparent. i— height of his fame? nothing short of horrific, apparent. i am _ height of his fame? nothing short of horrific, apparent. i am very - horrific, apparent. i am very conscious that i am interviewing this evening alongside a rape survivor and as a man i cannot begin to imagine the mental anguish some of these women must now be feeling when they look back and hearing the early interviewee that now she is a grown woman, what she thought she knew she didn't know wh