been in lucian carr's life lucian cars a contemporary of bergen burroughs and caroline the writer too he was and i think he aspired to be a writer but he was someone who galvanized these other guys around sort of common sense ability. of this new vision but. the camera was a surrogate father of sorts mentor to lucian carr was his student is he originally was his scoutmaster and yeah and followed him from institution to institution or school the school i should say obsessed with obsessed with him it was a co-created relationship and codependent relationship i think the way. i think there was i don't i don't know that they actually acted on whatever intimacy or affection they experienced for one another i mean by the time you meet them in the film lucian is ready to distance himself from camera on camera can he wept it was ginsburg's role in this when the allen ginsberg went to columbia university in one nine hundred forty four and met lucian car and he you know at least in was one of these people that just had the same kind of a charisma and alland much like david just felt totally and