lucretia mott didn't like that and neither did elizabeth cady. when they were traveling back to the u.s., they said to each other, you know, we should have a meeting about women's rights or woman's rights, you know. we should address discrimination against women as women and they talked about it and the meeting doesn't actually take place until eight years later. the meeting in seneca falls, 1848. that's largely because elizabeth cady stanton has so many children. elizabeth stanton was highly fertile. she had one child after another. she had a lot of children, one pregnancy after another. it's not until 1848 that she can focus on this meeting. they have it in seneca falls, it's advertised in the newspapers in upstate new york. they got a turnout of a couple hundred people. and at this meeting, they meet for several days, and in a small local chapel, that building where the meeting was held is still standing. it's now a historic site. they discuss various issues that pertain to discrimination against women. and elizabeth cady stanton writes up a d

. >> jean heidler when you look at this picture, henry lucretia clay in your book, what do you see? >> well, i see a sad woman because by that point in her life she was very sad. she had lost all of her daughters, all six of her daughters, by that point. and never really recovered. her oldest son was in an insane asylum where he would die after her death, so -- and one of the things we do try to do with the book is bring lucretia to life, no one's ever really tried to do that. as far as henry clay's picture in that particular what most people assume is their 50th wedding anniversary picture, is -- he, too, has a sadness about him. sort of a resignation, i think. >> one of the things you noticed in these pictures and you see it a lot in those years, there's not anybody smiling. >> yeah. >> why is that? >> well, one of the things because flash photography was not in, and they had to be pretty still. they didn't like a lot of motion in terms they would actually have braces, you know, freeze people into position, into their posture and they didn't like a lot of facial expressions becaus

james is the businessman and lucretia was the activist. their home was a stop on the underground railroad. fugitives stayed at the mott household. she begins to speak out against slavery. she goes out on the lecture circuit. she admitted she was an average speaker. she did not describe herself as a brilliant orator. she impressed audiences with the force of character and her her integrity and sweetness. she was beloved by other abolitionists. she is ridiculed in the mainstream press. she was called a quote she devil, closed quote. that is a famous line. unfeminine and unnatural. she keeps at it. in the 1830s, this is the approach of most abolitionists. they are trying to change public opinion. they do that by writing and speaking. there were other newspapers aside from the ones i discussed. there were dozens of people that go out on the lecture circuit. some petitioned congress to try to end slavery. the petitions were rejected. some advocated boycotts that people should boycott items that were made by slave labor. that is very hard to do.

lucretia tended to be healthier though she went through some bad health problems as well. then, of course, there are the children. again, respiratory being oftentimes -- >> caused by what? >> well, in clay's case it was probably just something that he was congenitally was a problem. he always had bad colds and bronchitis and then, of course, he contracted tuberculosis which ultimately killed him. perhaps the cause of his respiratory problems. he was more susceptible to that because this was a disease that was the number one killer of adults during this time period. >> and you were doing the last part of the book and all and the very early part, when he died, he had the full treatment. laid in state up there in the capitol and six white horses pulling the casket. how did he do that? what was the -- that doesn't happen very often. >> no. and it is an indication -- what we wanted to do in the prologue because clay has retreated into the shadows of american memory so much is we wanted to show in the prologue how important he was. we wanted to show rather than just say he was i

could i get your lucretia mott on this? - what is this? - budget approval for travel and hotels for the moms. - the moms? what moms? - the staff moms that are gonna be on the mother's day show that nbc is making us do after their ill-fated decision to re-air the pilot of bitch hunter.

anthony, lucretia mott and others -- she was fighting for us to gain the right to vote, and we won't go back. there was gloria steinem, shirley chism, there's kim gandy, patricia ireland, terry o'neill, harriet tubman before them, ella baker before them. all of these are women who who e fought too many battles for us to go back. so we won't go back. it's time for us to take our own stand and stand the ground for women and insist that we won't go back for any reason. so we've got to get it on when we leave this conference today. we can't wait for the summer. we can't wait for november. we've got to get it together now. i want you to know that it is time that we understand that all, each of our interests is somehow related to all of our interest. so the far right, as i said earlier, may well have shot the first shot, but it's the one who's still standing when the last shot is fired. and, women, we intend to be there because we are a team. thank you, i love you, god bless you. [cheers and applause] >> i forget that e. faye is also an ordained minister. [laughter] and you can hear her vo