lucy hawkins joined us the emergency. lucy hawkins joined us earlierfrom a hard—hit the emergency.hawkins joined us earlier from a hard—hit area the emergency. lucy hawkins joined us earlierfrom a hard—hit area in new south wales. he has announced this recovery plan. i am joined by the president of the shoalhaven business chamber. there has been a huge amount of damage to properties and people traumatised. what is lifelike for a small business owner at the moment? it's certainly challenging. we do rely on this time of year for many of our businesses, most are directly impacted by tourism or indirectly. it's a massive industry for us. at this time of year, we normally would see the population triple and loads of people coming down on spending money on cafe ‘s and local accommodation. a lot of cancellations. 0bviously thatis a lot of cancellations. 0bviously that is well and truly warranted, given some of the regions but we do have 49 towns and villages, 100 beautiful beaches and lots of areas not impacted by the fires but on fortu nately, not impacted by the fires but on fortunately