it also reflects something about lucy koh, she speaks her mind.he is in many ways very plainspoken. she's a brilliant judge, dealing with very sophisticated legal issues in technology, but she speaks about it and addresses it in a very plainspoken way. >> are the attorneys quite deferential? >> they are. that is another interesting point. while there are many women on both sides of the apple-samsung case in very senior positions, the trial lawyers are men. the ones doing closing arguments and opening arguments. there are more men on those teams than women, and it is interesting to see a woman handle those outsized legal lawyer personalities, almost all of them men. they treat her with the utmost respect. they know who they are dealing with. >> judge lucy koh, who was appointed by president obama. we are waiting for more from her as the apple-samsung case develops. they have both been found to infringe. >> the biggest, the main objective, what apple in particular has sought in both cases. we are waiting on that ruling. >> joe rosenblatt, thanks so

>> this reflect a lot about lucy koh. was tired, it was toward the end of the first apple-samsung trial. she had the impression lawyers were adding work to her and her staff, adding paperwork for her to get to. and she told him, you got to be smoking crack if you think i'm going to do this. that is an interesting thing for a judge to say in a courtroom. not what you would expect. it also reflects something about lucy koh, she speaks her mind. she is in many ways very plainspoken. she's a brilliant judge, dealing with very sophisticated legal technology, but she speaks about it and addresses it in a very plainspoken way. >> are the attorneys quite deferential? >> they are. that is another interesting point. while many -- there are many women on both sides of the apple-samsung case in very senior positions. the trial lawyers are men. the ones doing closing arguments and opening arguments. there are more men on those women, and it is interesting to see a woman handle those outsized legal lawyer personalities, almost all of t