you see the danica patrick's of today, they have their presence in many ways to lucy shell.to her sort of calm lottery of women who decide everything -- defy everything to do with love, racecars. again, i won't be the one doing it, if anyone is out there listening, there is a great book tv written about these early speed queens. i strongly recommend someone do it. >> host: they won separate awards but they were racing at the same time as the male drivers? is that correct? or what? >> guest: depends on the race. in the grand prix itself, the grand prix to put in present day language is like formula one racing. there's a set dictate on the kind of car you can have, set race, and women were not involved in that, in the 1930s. separately from that though, there was all kinds of different sports car races. there were rally races, races 3000 miles from one point to the next. get there as quick as you can. as well as races like in italy, 1000 miles, or labonte's, other races like that. they're all kinds of different races that inter- mixed men and women. lucy drove, partnered with