her daughter luiouis louisa. and then her son joseph. in the book this is benjamin and ellen, those are the names they're given in the narrative. when she was 22 in 1835 jacobs escaped from the norcom plantation. she had been kind of reassigned at that point to the plantation. and at that point she began her stay in the crawlspace in her grandmother's attic. the dimensions of this crawlspace, i don't remember if she gives it in the book but the dimensions of the crawlspace were nine feet long, seven feet wide, and about three feet high at one end. so i think she says, you know, when she's in the crawlspace for the most part she can't stand up straight. after she spends seven years in the crawlspace she managed then a successful escape to the north. so here then is a kind of overview of harriet jacobs' grandmother's house, which you can see is actually a somewhat substantial house for this time. that's a kind of cutaway of the crawlspace where harriet jacobs would have stayed. then this is -- i think harriet jacobs mentions this. the runa