orlando bosch and luis posada blowup this airliner. they ultimately live freely in miami. know this now from declassified documents from the cia and the fbi, that they had nailed them. posada told an official that orlando has all the information, we are going to get an airplane. it is all there. i think we put it on the screen. the first thing they did was try to raise money off of this event. it occurred to me that this might have been, down deep, the real motivation behind this terrorism. airplaneblowing up an going to change the government of cuba, or even placing a few bombs in hotels, or trying to assassinate? after all of these terrorist acts, these guys go door-to-door and say, you heard but we did lately. you have a nice store here. and they raise money. this is how they ended up making a living. otherwise it makes no sense doing anything that they did. going on with lawrence wilkerson's review of your film, the man who was chief of staff of secretary of state colin talks about posada and bosch. he says clearly shown and vividly documented that the u.s. sponsors ter

orlando bosch and luis posada carriles, who blew up this airliner0 ,went on to live freely in miami. going to take a break and we will be back. stay with us. ♪ [music break] >> this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. as we continue our roundtable discussion with martin garbus legaln the cuban five team. michael ratner and peter kornbluh. we're joined in washington, d.c., by robert muse, who just came up from havana yesterday, a lawyer based in d.c. who is an expert in u.s. laws relating to cuba. his recent piece i list in the mecca's quarterly, "u.s. presidential action on cuba: the new normalization?" tell us about hearing this news, robert muse. >> of having a little trouble hearing you. >> tell us about hearing the news. where were you, about the announcement of the normalization? >> i was having breakfast with peter kornbluh in hotel, and we were told -- >> in havana, cuba? >> that's right, in havana. with ited -- 70 came in and had picked up a news release that alan gross was being released. access towe had early the fact sheet coming

luis posada corellis, who the united states admits was behind the bombing of an airliner that killedthe cuban fencing team. just as we have the lockerbie families, they have families of the people who died on the airplane in barbados, why does the united states harbor a terrorist and why doesn't the united states extradite him to cuba or venezuela where he plotted that crime? >> ha is the u.s.'s high ground argument on that? >> i don't think we have a high ground argument? >> why does the u.s. do it? >> the bush administration fumbled for a while they he entered u.s. territory. they tried him on immigration fraud charges. he was acquitted on that. but the united states doesn't want to render him to venezuela or to cuba, and i think that the united states officials, if they were here, they would probably say they don't think woe get a fair trial in any place. but at the same time the bush administration called him a terrorist, there's no doubt from the reports in the u.s. intelligence community from things that secretary of state kissinger said at the time, he's a terrorist who was in