i mean there's an epidemic of suicides it was the farmers because monsanto sold them out of cotton luker cotton seed that they promised would do a certain thing and then those seeds didn't perform how they were supposed to know and it drove a lot of these indian farmers into sheer poverty and they ended up committing suicide by the hundreds of thousands so you start farming communities everywhere i mean in the united states they're known for suing small farmers there's a lot of small farmers at the putting out of business because you have genetic migration into into crops that weren't supposed to be g.m.o. but they're going to cross-pollinate it and then monsanto comes in they use their government cronies to go in and shut down small farmers because. their genetics from their seeds that they did have out of slowly crept into the into the genetics of non g.m.o. seeds as well despite the u.s. senate has shot down a bell which would have given american states their sourcing to decide whether to label genetically modified products the majority of legislators believe people don't need to know

, you know, they don't -- they're not preoccupied by the things that we're preoccupied, the filthy luker, the strategizing and the positioning of, say, politics or business. boll locks. bullocks. we are some of the most self-obsessed narcissistic self-centered. >> rose: but could you do the art if you weren't that way? >> naval gazing for a living. >> rose: it's not naval gazing. >> the other work i do is a sense to balance that. >> rose: balance it with what? >> moving from the abstract to the concrete. you know, because -- yeah. it's a strange thing. and i just think it's very important to understand that we are plumbers. we are mechanics of some kind and some of the most inspiring people are know are business people or, indeed, politicians. >> rose: or scientists -- >> especially scientists. >> rose: especially scientists. so celebrity today. you could argue that you have taken your earned place (laughs) >> cash, currency. >> rose: that's what it is. currency. it gives you the currency to change the globe. >> yeah, i mean you have to be -- you better be useful, use it wisely, spejd it

i think representative lynn luker is here from the house in idaho and others have come to the last program. i will give you two examples of the way that caucus helped us develop policy on religious liberty during the session. one was a proposal to add an amendment to idaho's state constitution using referral type language and then the other one was the protection -based student groups on our public universities and campuses. the first issue, who said wegroups protectdd language to their liberties, similar to a statute that we have had in place for over 10 years in idaho. when that proposal was brought up as a caucus, we invited tim to share experiences that other states of had. we found two different things that made us pause on those efforts. one of those was the fact that, in other states, one that issue had gone on the ballot, the permanence -- the proponents had been heavily outspent in degrees of 20 or more to one and a hadn't done well on the ballot as a result of that. the other issue was, because we had a statute already in place from a litigator's perspective, there wasn't a huge