lula was social movements.eader, the union left of the catholic church, feminist, gays, you name it, you would be under this. after 10 and a half years in power, the social movement were hibernating. they got good positions in government. think is the i beginning of new social that do not see the workers a body as their representatives in the social arena. the workers bodies no longer represent change. that is why they are against political parties. they do not see them representing them. in occupy, i think there is a major change with what happened with brazil and occupy wall street. the brazilians are having answers somehow. they kept their anger, but no political answers. at least brazil is trying to address and not crush them like in turkey. it is important. i have given many interviews. sometimes there are other guests. some people try to get her issue into this. -- get their issue into this. this is a urban -- this is urban. i hope they do not put this into a vote. this is urban. this is what they were sa

but no presidents have been as popular as lula and now dilma. so their popularity is returning to a normal level. >> she's his creation. she never held elected public office until he anointed her as his successor. so >> so what's going to happen? how will this unmold? >> oh, i think more of the same. a little bit of a cooling off but there will be demonstrations popping up. the issues have to be addressed and there will be continuous pressure to do so. we're aa year away from the world cup. there's going to be continued dissatisfaction with the way the money is spent as stadiums run behind schedule, in terms of construction as the cost overruns mount. as was the case with the pan american games 2007. people see that the stadiums are constructed in a shoddy fashion in some cases. all of this will help maintain the pressure. >> rose: any good news here? >> yes, i agree 100% with paulo that this is a democratic country and people have, i think for the most part engaged in this we restraint and good humor we're talking about the average citizen. >>

benefit, the could only one was president lula. president lula was remarkably silent about this. think that is viable for political and non-political reasons. therefore we have this challenge of capitalizing on this energy. i think that talking to people -- yesterdayple their having the stock. there is no economic -- not a major economic crisis in brazil. the economy is still growing. fiddes underperforming. our economy is not very aerodynamic. there is no political crisis as such. it is a crisis of renewal. whoever that against brazil getting out of this as a better country in the past 30 years mistake. it is a moment of great promise for the country. i think people remained mobilized. the next big event is july 11. the unions and brazil have called for a day of protests. most people i talked to say that will be a flop. that will be too much. unions in brazil have been instrumental parties and parties have zero political prestige right now. they're part of the old political mediation that no longer works. the only comparison i would make with their protests going on in the world

such that the s repetitive nature of discrimination in those places, take for example the case in lula. after the court ruled that the plan after the 2000 round of redistricting for the mark of discrimination, in remedial legislation, the state of texas tried to shorten early voting the period for purposes of denying the latino community for the of the benefits of the ruling. benefitsn 2 cases, the of discrimination in inku78 benlts would not be there but discriminatory plan. congress in a house report, page 7 found that section 2 continues to be an inadequate remedy to express the problem of violations. another example that makes a innt clearly is in the 1990s mississippi, a section 2 case to brought after 100 years break down the dual registration system that had discriminatory purpose. ensspi implement the national voter registration act, it tried to dual registration. it was section 5 -- section 5 enforcement action that was able it down. >> do you agree with the reverse engineering argument that the united states has made today? >> i would frame it slightly differently, chief just

the era of presidential popularity in brazil is very high, began in lula's second term, eighty% approvalatings and that was unusual for brazilian history. now it is back to the norm. a supercycle of presidential authority and even where she is now she is very competitive, the former president had slightly above in terms of popularity and was reelected in the first round in ninety-eight as a reminder so it is easy to make long-term projections on this and thank you. >> i want to raise a question and answer it quickly. you said something that made me a bit pessimistic when you talk about corruption and incompetence. if it is incompetence, hal is brazil going to resolve this. it is really incompetents the got from their do they have the competence to get out of it? >> i think they do. when you talk about incompetence you are not saying everything they have done is wrong. when you look at the deposit part of the story the last ten years, every social economic indicator in brazil has improved so there are signs of hope, there is intelligent life in brazil when it comes to government. >> i am