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afternoon lula and yelling good night lula no matter if it were raining if it were 40 degrees or degrees. valentyn assad is with the atlantic council's latin america center and she says despite lula being barred from running for office he is likely to use his strong base of support that he continues to have his supporters are still very much engaged with him and see in him a central figure for the life that he is definitely someone that is bringing a changing point to a deal left in brazil this is a inflection point for the left in brazil and they would take less release and is this just momentum to actually unify themselves in this industry. fight that they have for social causes and inequality in brazil and i think that this is also a year of lay's definitely not going to be able to engage in public in politics not going to be able to be a politician himself again or run for anything political but he's definitely going to be a vocal voice in the political scene in brazil let's talk more about this now to raise a bar in são paulo to raise a fur defied figure still a very popular
afternoon lula and yelling good night lula no matter if it were raining if it were 40 degrees or degrees. valentyn assad is with the atlantic council's latin america center and she says despite lula being barred from running for office he is likely to use his strong base of support that he continues to have his supporters are still very much engaged with him and see in him a central figure for the life that he is definitely someone that is bringing a changing point to a deal left in brazil this...
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afternoon lula and yelling good night lula no matter if it were raining if it were 40 degrees or 0 degrees. on thursday the supreme court voted to reinterpret a law that meant anyone convicted of a crime was jailed after losing their 1st appeal the ruling allows lula and more than 4000 others to exhaust all their appeal options before being locked up. a new low was convicted last year of taking bribes in exchange for public works contracts it was part of the so-called carwash corruption investigation that saw dozens of politicians and business men detained for their role in cases that involved bribes and kickbacks from brazil's private and state companies you love the feel of a left office saying that he's ready to fight against what he says is the persecution of the left under the presidency of j.d. it's not clear yet how he's going to do that he wouldn't be able to run for office right now because of what is known here as the clean slate law that bans politicians who have been convicted for corruption. has always denied those charges saying he was a victim of political persecut
afternoon lula and yelling good night lula no matter if it were raining if it were 40 degrees or 0 degrees. on thursday the supreme court voted to reinterpret a law that meant anyone convicted of a crime was jailed after losing their 1st appeal the ruling allows lula and more than 4000 others to exhaust all their appeal options before being locked up. a new low was convicted last year of taking bribes in exchange for public works contracts it was part of the so-called carwash corruption...
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afternoon lula and yelling good night lula no matter if it were raining if it were 40 degrees or 0 degrees. and lula's releases galvanized his supporters histories about with more on that. former president left the prison where his being at for the past year and a half in the state of pa tonight including t.v. there were hundreds of his followers waiting for him outside carrying banners proclaiming his innocence lula spoke there he told his followers that they were the voice of democracy he also said that his imprisonment was meant not to in jail a man but an idea an idea of equality that is much needed in brazil today also said that he's ready for a fight and even though he wouldn't be allowed to run for office because of a clean slate a law that bans officials who have been convicted for corruption among other things from being part of any type of political race and that's why he's asking for the annual ments of the cases against him was imprisoned last year accused of receiving bryant from an engineering companies in exchange of public works contracts he has always proclaimed
afternoon lula and yelling good night lula no matter if it were raining if it were 40 degrees or 0 degrees. and lula's releases galvanized his supporters histories about with more on that. former president left the prison where his being at for the past year and a half in the state of pa tonight including t.v. there were hundreds of his followers waiting for him outside carrying banners proclaiming his innocence lula spoke there he told his followers that they were the voice of democracy he...
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lula". you were the source of democracy that i needed. —— or good night. lula supporters, this is an indication. in their eyes, it has been a political witch—hunt from the very beginning. but he is a politician who stirs emotions. his detractors see him as a corrupt politician who should stay behind bars. lula's freedom comes after brazil's supreme court ruled that convicted criminals should only go to prison after they have exhausted all their appeals. it overturned a previous ruling requiring convicts to start serving their sentence after losing their first appeal. lula was accused of receiving kickbacks from a construction company in connection with a beachside apartment on the coast of sao paulo. the accusations were linked to brazil's biggest ever corruption investigation, operation car wash. he started a 12 year prison sentence in april 2018, after an appeal against his conviction was upheld. lula will now remain free while he appeals to higher courts. he also has several other cases against him for corruption. and being out of prison will no doubt st
lula". you were the source of democracy that i needed. —— or good night. lula supporters, this is an indication. in their eyes, it has been a political witch—hunt from the very beginning. but he is a politician who stirs emotions. his detractors see him as a corrupt politician who should stay behind bars. lula's freedom comes after brazil's supreme court ruled that convicted criminals should only go to prison after they have exhausted all their appeals. it overturned a previous...
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could be here talking with men and women who during the past 580 days were here saying good morning lula good afternoon and yelling good night lula no matter if it were raining if it were 40 degrees or 0 degrees on thursday the supreme court voted to reinterpret a law that meant anyone convicted of a crime was jailed after losing their 1st appeal the ruling allows lula and more than 4000 others to exhaust all their appeal options before being locked up. a new low was convicted last year of taking bribes in exchange for public works contracts it was part of the so-called carwash corruption investigation that saw dozens of politicians and business men detained for their role in cases that involved bribes and kickbacks from brazil's private and state companies you love the feel of a left office saying that he's ready to fight against what he says is the persecution of the left under the presidency of j.d. it's not clear yet how he's going to do that he wouldn't be able to run for office right now because of what is known here as the clean slate law that bans politicians who have been convicted f
could be here talking with men and women who during the past 580 days were here saying good morning lula good afternoon and yelling good night lula no matter if it were raining if it were 40 degrees or 0 degrees on thursday the supreme court voted to reinterpret a law that meant anyone convicted of a crime was jailed after losing their 1st appeal the ruling allows lula and more than 4000 others to exhaust all their appeal options before being locked up. a new low was convicted last year of...
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afternoon lula and yelling good night lula no matter if it were raining if it were 40 degrees or 0 degrees protesters in iraq are continuing their campaign against the government demanding an overhaul of the political system security forces of fired tear gas and used to stun grenades on demonstrators in baghdad more than $290.00 people have been killed since demonstrations began last month. india's top court is expected to rule on the ownership of a controversy a plot of land considered the holy by hindus and muslims thousands of troops have been deployed in the northern town of biogen while security is being tightened across the country. opposition leader says he'll be back in cambodia on saturday sam rainsy posted on social media that he's boarded a flight from france but didn't specify where he's landing he's vowed to lay demonstrations against cambodian prime minister who sent a former twitter employee accused of spying for saudi arabia in the united states has been granted but i'll. go and another employee allegedly access the personal account information of more than $6000.
afternoon lula and yelling good night lula no matter if it were raining if it were 40 degrees or 0 degrees protesters in iraq are continuing their campaign against the government demanding an overhaul of the political system security forces of fired tear gas and used to stun grenades on demonstrators in baghdad more than $290.00 people have been killed since demonstrations began last month. india's top court is expected to rule on the ownership of a controversy a plot of land considered the...
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other people say this is really not going to be so good for them, because lula is such a charismaticzil. he is so important in the country. lifted millions out of poverty, one of the most highly—approved of presidents in history. and in fact, he was the man who was pretty much going to be swept into power last year until he was blocked because of this corruption charge. and so some of his other advisers fear having lula out, and really rallying his own troops in favour of the left. michael, of course, we have to remember, he is charismatic, yes, he's free, but he hasn't been exonerated, has he? no, he hasn't. and that's a very important point. he is free because of a supreme court ruling which goes back, it is a constitutional issue, and in fact that was an issue, the way that the constitution of 1988 was written, it said that all defendants could exhaust all their appeals before they would have to be sent to jail. that was flipped over in 2016 and now it's been returned, it's been turned back, just by this latest ruling. but his corruption conviction still stands and he had several
other people say this is really not going to be so good for them, because lula is such a charismaticzil. he is so important in the country. lifted millions out of poverty, one of the most highly—approved of presidents in history. and in fact, he was the man who was pretty much going to be swept into power last year until he was blocked because of this corruption charge. and so some of his other advisers fear having lula out, and really rallying his own troops in favour of the left. michael,...
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afternoon lula and yelling good night lula no matter if it were raining if it were 40 degrees or 0 degrees and lulu's releases galvanized his supporters his to raise about with more on that. former president left the prison where he's been out for the past year and a half in the state of pa tonight including t.v. there were hundreds of his followers waiting for him outside carrying banners proclaiming his innocence lula spoke there he told his followers that they were the voice of democracy he also said that his imprisonment was meant not to in jail a man but an idea an idea of equality that is much needed in brazil today a little ole said that he's ready for a fight and even though he wouldn't be allowed to run for office because of a clean slate a law that bans officials who have been convicted for corruption among other things from being part of any type of political race and that's why he's asking for the annual ments of the cases against him was imprisoned last year accused of receiving bryant from an engineering companies in exchange of public works contracts he has always
afternoon lula and yelling good night lula no matter if it were raining if it were 40 degrees or 0 degrees and lulu's releases galvanized his supporters his to raise about with more on that. former president left the prison where he's been out for the past year and a half in the state of pa tonight including t.v. there were hundreds of his followers waiting for him outside carrying banners proclaiming his innocence lula spoke there he told his followers that they were the voice of democracy he...
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never thought that today i could be here talking to men and women who for 580 days shouted good morning, lular good night to me, no matter whether it was raining or iii good night to me, no matter whether it was raining or 14 degrees centigrade or even 0dc. you were the source of democracy that i needed. a little earlier i spoke to our south america correspondent katy watson, and asked what lula's next steps might be. he obviously was thinking his supporters outside the prison who have been there since he went to prison nearly 1.5 years ago. he has a home near sao paulo so no doubt he will make his way home in the next few hours. this has come as a huge, this is a momentous day for brazil. obviously for his supporters. they see this as vindication, but also for his detractors, many of whom feel he should still remain behind bars. an interesting ruling by the supreme court because he still has the sentence hanging over him full of absolutely. he has a sentence hanging over him but he also has several other cases of corruption coming up soon so several other cases of corruption coming up soon s
never thought that today i could be here talking to men and women who for 580 days shouted good morning, lular good night to me, no matter whether it was raining or iii good night to me, no matter whether it was raining or 14 degrees centigrade or even 0dc. you were the source of democracy that i needed. a little earlier i spoke to our south america correspondent katy watson, and asked what lula's next steps might be. he obviously was thinking his supporters outside the prison who have been...
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partners cell phone as well as monitor all of lula's telephone calls with his attorneys with the different attorneys so they strategize then they monitor a good anticipate all of the moves all of this defense strategy so this is a this by itself should be reason enough. to lead to a know all of the procedures against president lula president both of our o. is the 1st brazilian president ever to go to langley to cia headquarters there's nothing to suggest is there the judge morro got help from the cia when they were monitoring all of the well we are still both scenarios said last week that he would not be president if mara had not accomplished his mission. this is made. what we say in his behavior is corpus we are saying that both moral act acted politically morrow was acting as a political figure a political 0 ponens of low presiding. over the case without any jury you have to remember them brazil we don't have juries only in very. exceptional cases death death related cases and a few others but the thing is this man who is politically motivated by is an all manners that you can imagine. he ordered lula to be arrested he convicted in spite of
partners cell phone as well as monitor all of lula's telephone calls with his attorneys with the different attorneys so they strategize then they monitor a good anticipate all of the moves all of this defense strategy so this is a this by itself should be reason enough. to lead to a know all of the procedures against president lula president both of our o. is the 1st brazilian president ever to go to langley to cia headquarters there's nothing to suggest is there the judge morro got help from...
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talking here with men and women who during the past 580 days were here saying "good morning, "good night, lula, no matter if it was 40 degrees, 30 degrees, or zero degrees. i want to tell you from herere'm going to sell apollo. tomorrow i for meeting. the doors will be open for me to go around the country. amy: lula's freedom came after the supreme court ended mandatory imprisonment for people convicted of a crime who lost their first appeal. he had been imprisoned for a year and a half after he was convicted of accepting a beachside apartment from an engineering firm vying for contracts at the state oil company petrobras. many of lula's supporters say his conviction and jailing ahead of brazil's 2018 presidential election, in which lula was the frontrunner, was politically motivated. he did not the charges. his jailing cleared the way for the election of brazil's jairight president bolsonaro. to see all our interview with former president luiz inacio lula da silva before he was imprisoned, go to democracynow.org. in syria, at least eight people were killed in a bombing in the northeastern cit
talking here with men and women who during the past 580 days were here saying "good morning, "good night, lula, no matter if it was 40 degrees, 30 degrees, or zero degrees. i want to tell you from herere'm going to sell apollo. tomorrow i for meeting. the doors will be open for me to go around the country. amy: lula's freedom came after the supreme court ended mandatory imprisonment for people convicted of a crime who lost their first appeal. he had been imprisoned for a year and a...
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who have spent the past 4 years championing his case for that's good thanks for coming on the show what's the latest on your client lula thank you it's an honor to be here in russia today so president lula actually was released from jail on friday he spent 580 days in an illegal imprisonment he should never been incarcerated he was in a solitary confinement he was. taken to jail and forbidden from running in $2800.00 alexion which he would have won had he been able to to run as the united nations. gave an interim to interim measures demanding that brazil allow him to run and to give interviews while in the elections brazil did not comply with its international obligations. and the latest a supreme court decision only it restore and it's just a small step. forward and moving in towards the rule of law in brazil i know you took the case to the u.n. you must be a with the president also now. britain and the united states said do not give ammunition to the scoundrel who is momentarily free but full of guilt what did you make of your president saying well obviously he has not read the file he has not studied the cases becau
who have spent the past 4 years championing his case for that's good thanks for coming on the show what's the latest on your client lula thank you it's an honor to be here in russia today so president lula actually was released from jail on friday he spent 580 days in an illegal imprisonment he should never been incarcerated he was in a solitary confinement he was. taken to jail and forbidden from running in $2800.00 alexion which he would have won had he been able to to run as the united...
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and who has spent the past 4 years championing his case for that's good thanks for coming on the show what's the latest on your client lula thank you it's an honor to be here in russia today. so president.
and who has spent the past 4 years championing his case for that's good thanks for coming on the show what's the latest on your client lula thank you it's an honor to be here in russia today. so president.
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government day after being released from prison lula told supporters the left must take back the presidency in the next election. only solution that if we have good judgment and if we know how to correctly in 2022 the so-called lift a pulse an hour or so fearful of will defeat the ultra right that we've always wanted to defeat this country does not deserve the government that hands police in several bolivian cities of joint protests over the disputed reelection of president ever morales guards outside the presidential palace were among those who left their posts but allies denounce the move accusing police of staging who is accused of rigging last month's election to secure a full. iraqi security forces of killed at least 40 government demonstrators while trying to clear protest sites in baghdad more than 100 people have been able to demonstrate this for weeks people saying they're fed up with corruption a struggling economy and the lack of basic services. oil giant saudi aramco as detailed a list of risks as it prepares to sell shares publicly for the 1st time it singled out terrorism government interference in business and state caps on oil pro
government day after being released from prison lula told supporters the left must take back the presidency in the next election. only solution that if we have good judgment and if we know how to correctly in 2022 the so-called lift a pulse an hour or so fearful of will defeat the ultra right that we've always wanted to defeat this country does not deserve the government that hands police in several bolivian cities of joint protests over the disputed reelection of president ever morales guards...
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government a day after being released from prison lula told supporters the left must take back the presidency in the next election i. only say this is that if we have good judgment and if we know how to do it correctly in 2022 the so-called lift that bolton are so fearful of will defeat the ultra right that we've always wanted to defeat this country does not deserve the government there. iraqi security forces have killed at least 4 anti-government demonstrators while trying to play a protest sites in baghdad more than 100 people have been wounded been demonstrations for weeks with people saying they're fed up with corruption a struggling economy and the lack of basic services or oil giant saudi aramco has detailed the list of risks as it prepares to sell shares publicly for the 1st time it singled out terrorism government interference in business and state caps on the oil production. protesters have gathered for another night in lebanon's capital but this time with the more news a call approach. crowds packed beirut streets in front of government buildings dancing to music from loudspeakers there have been anti-government protests for more than 3 weeks
government a day after being released from prison lula told supporters the left must take back the presidency in the next election i. only say this is that if we have good judgment and if we know how to do it correctly in 2022 the so-called lift that bolton are so fearful of will defeat the ultra right that we've always wanted to defeat this country does not deserve the government there. iraqi security forces have killed at least 4 anti-government demonstrators while trying to play a protest...
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to think hard whether that's a good idea what do you think of these crazy statements from the workers' party national board should we officially rebut well r.t. spoke to lula da silva while he was still imprisoned and he told us brazil should defend it serenity and resist political meddling from outside. no one has to accept foreign interference in the affairs of a sovereign state i do not support american brazilian colombian or any other interference their attempts to control another country by promoting their own candidates by creating a fake figurehead like one guy joe i'm totally against this there are situations that a democratic country has to deal with on its own. you brazil is a very big country it can be fully sovereign it could become one of the main actors on international policy i admire the role that president putin plays in the modern world it shows that the world cannot be held hostage to u.s. policy to trucks crazy or the craziness of a u.s. president who believes that he could invade any country kill any president somebody has to stop him and brazil concluded that well early on my colleague neil harvey spoke in the studio of brando out whe
to think hard whether that's a good idea what do you think of these crazy statements from the workers' party national board should we officially rebut well r.t. spoke to lula da silva while he was still imprisoned and he told us brazil should defend it serenity and resist political meddling from outside. no one has to accept foreign interference in the affairs of a sovereign state i do not support american brazilian colombian or any other interference their attempts to control another country...
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former president lula da silva there is release from prison see appeals this corruption case was greeted by cheering supporters who say charges against him often that include vote. good evening and welcome this is r.t. international. 30 years ago the berlin wall was torn down real east and west berlin and her building the beginning of the end of the cold war security today has been high with major celebrations taking place across the country berlin thousands have been taking part in numerous events including exhibitions on the walls history. now with a quick look at his rise and fall. of. the berlin wall a symbol of the cold war and division a mind that separated the city families friends and changed berlin for the remainder of the 20th century 40 kilometers long at slice of the city and was erected in the night august 13th 1981 1st it was just a barbed wire and concrete france with 12 checkpoints but it swiftly grew into the fortified version most know it today but checkpoints were reduced to 3 and crossing became impossible. my. isn't this a concrete wall 3.6 meters high and 1.2 meters wide smooth filner running along the top to prevent anyone climbing over watchto
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former president lula da silva is released from prison as he appeals his corruption case he was greeted by cheering supporters who say charges against him are politically motivated. good evening and thanks for joining us this is. 30 years ago the berlin wall was told reuniting east and west berlin now during the beginning of the end to numerous events including exhibitions on the walls history. with a look at the walls rise and fall. of. the berlin wall a symbol of the cold war and division a mine that separated the city families friends and changed berlin for the remainder of the 20th century 40 kilometers long at slice of the city and was erected in the night august 13th 1981 1st it was just a barbed wire and concrete france with 12 checkpoints but it swiftly grew into the fortified version most know it today the checkpoints were reduced to 3 and crossing became all but impossible. imagine this a concrete wall 3.6 meters high and 1.2 meters wide smooth still nerve running along the top to prevent anyone climbing over watchtower. every 200 meters by 962 a 2nd wall was built around 100 meters and east berlin territory this buffer zone became known as the death strip t
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championing his case for that's good thanks for coming on the show what's the latest on your client. thank you it's an honor to be here in russia today. so president lulaactually was released from jail on friday he spent 580 days in an illegal imprisonment he should never been incarcerated he was in a solitary confinement he was. taken to jail and forbidden from running.
championing his case for that's good thanks for coming on the show what's the latest on your client. thank you it's an honor to be here in russia today. so president lulaactually was released from jail on friday he spent 580 days in an illegal imprisonment he should never been incarcerated he was in a solitary confinement he was. taken to jail and forbidden from running.
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former president lula da silva his release from prison as he appeals his corruption case he was greeted by cheering supporters who say charges against him up in the thickly motivated. very good evening thanks for joining us here on r.t. and. 30 years ago the berlin wall was reuniting east and west berlin and heralding the beginning of the end of the cold war security is high with major celebrations being held today across the country in the thousands have been taking part in new roosevelts including exhibitions on the walls. with a quick look at the holes for. the berlin wall a symbol of the cold war and division a mine that separated the city families friends and changed berlin for the remainder of the 20th century 40 kilometers long at slice of the city and was erected on the night of august 13th 1961 1st it was just a barbed wire and concrete france with 12 checkpoints but it swiftly grew into the fortified version most know it today the checkpoints were reduced to 3 and crossing became all but impossible. imagine this a concrete wall 3.6 meters high and 1.2 meters wide a smooth still nerve running along the top to prevent anyone climbing over watchtowers every 200 meters
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good. for profit. germany celebrates the since the fall of the berlin wall we look at just how united the country really has come this hour not. president lulada silva is released from prison is he if he was his corruption case he was greeted by cheering supporters who say the charges against him politically motivated i mean to national committee course of the hague convicted congolese rebel commander atrocities reaganites concerned the i.c.c. only convicts war criminals from africa.
good. for profit. germany celebrates the since the fall of the berlin wall we look at just how united the country really has come this hour not. president lulada silva is released from prison is he if he was his corruption case he was greeted by cheering supporters who say the charges against him politically motivated i mean to national committee course of the hague convicted congolese rebel commander atrocities reaganites concerned the i.c.c. only convicts war criminals from africa.
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host: let's go back to our phone callingd talk to lula, from cleveland, ohio on the democratic line. goodng. caller: good morning. can you speak up a little bit because we are having a hard time hearing you? caller: can you hear me now? host: that is better. caller: thank you. my question is the president came on national tv and admitted that he has been brought to the impeachment inquiry today. what more with the house have to do prove these so it will be brought before the senate so he can answer to the crimes that have brought him there? i'm going to hang up now, thank you. host: i believe her question was what does the house need to see to agree to articles of impeachment, given everything that has been talked about in the media and the transcripts and the witnesses that have come forward? well, we have not heard everything. there ishat yesterday a conversation that was overhead between gordon sondland, the ambassador to the eu, and with the president, so we are hearing ahead of time what people might testify to, but we have not heard all the testimony yet. i suspect the house inquiry
host: let's go back to our phone callingd talk to lula, from cleveland, ohio on the democratic line. goodng. caller: good morning. can you speak up a little bit because we are having a hard time hearing you? caller: can you hear me now? host: that is better. caller: thank you. my question is the president came on national tv and admitted that he has been brought to the impeachment inquiry today. what more with the house have to do prove these so it will be brought before the senate so he can...
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good. for profit. germany celebrates 30 years since the fall of the berlin wall we look at just how united though the country really is also to come this hour not. brazil's ex president lula da silva is released from prison as he appeals his corruption case he was greeted by cheering supporters who say the charges against him are politically motivated and the international criminal court at the hague convicted congolese rebel commander atrocities weeknights concerned the i.c.c. only convicts war criminals from africa. so good morning 10 o'clock here in moscow you're watching r.t. international now 30 years ago the berlijn wall was torn down reuniting east and west berlin and heralding the beginning of the end of the cold war security is high ahead of major celebrations across the country today in berlin thousands are expected to take part in numerous events including a variety of exhibitions on the war's history but for those who can't attend his artesia. with the story of the war. the berlin wall a symbol of the cold war and division a line that separated the city families friends and changed berlin for the remainder of the 20th century 40 kilometers long at slice of the
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