it was supported by lulac at the time. the executive director of lulac came out and said the clinton campaign attacks on bernie against this are unfair and unfounded. >> there's a bit of controversy that one of the surrogates said, bernie sanders was about whether people should vote for -- >> we don't have to say the word. >> here's what i want. here's what i want you to respond to. bernie sanders says, i think mike's point is you shouldn't vote for someone based on their gender. why not? why shouldn't you vote for someone because she's a woman? we've never had a woman president and that's a big and important thing. >> it is a big thing. what's important is you vote for someone on the basis of their ideas, proposals, qualifications, their ability to serve in office. >> you would stipulation there's a difference between saying i'm going to vote for this candidate because he's a man and i'm going to vote for this candidate because she's a woman. >> no. i would say voting for someone because of their gender isn't as important

guest: i think what is important to emphasize is that lulac's position is that we support illegal immigration. we want to make sure the immigration system works properly. that is important concern. days, we allowed as many immigrants to come to the shores as possible. they would be citizens immediately. environment, there is drastic restrictions on the amount of legal immigrants allowed. if you are a mexican american today in you don't have a family relative or sponsor you, it's impossible to come to the united states legally. many americans don't understand that someone want to create a legal process to come here to meet the needs of our economy and make folks don't have to come in on documented. there are some -- there are only so many folks we can absorb the we have not come close to those limits. have fear of immigrants are studying these arbitrary limits that are so low that it does not help our economy and we end up in a situation where we are today where we have 11 million undocumented immigrants in this country. and payingrking hard taxes but they cannot receive the benefits. they sho

i voted against the legislation in 2007 in agreement with groups like lulac, one of the large latino organizations, in agreement with the afl-cil for a number of reasons. included in that legislation was a guest work of provision which organization saw almost akin to slavery. they came in and if they didn't do what their bosses wanted them to do, if they didn't accept exploitation and cheating and then they would be thrown out of the country. many of the workers were exploited. that's the reason i voted against it. let me say this, i want to take a 11 million undocumented people in this country out of the shadows, out of fear that they are experiencing every single day. i want congress to do its job. under senator reid we did pass immigration reform. the house did not. as president i will do everything i can to pass immigration reform in path toward citizenship for those who are undocumented. >> even if it's not to your best liking? >> of course. it's not that i didn't think it was perfect. it's not a question of being perfect. nothing is perfect. that has particular egregious provis

i voted against the legislation in 2007 in agreement with groups like lulac, one of the large latino organizations, in agreement with the afl-cil for a number of reasons. included in that legislation was a guest work of provision which organization saw almost akin to slavery. they came in and if they didn't do what their bosses wanted them to do, if they didn't accept exploitation and cheating and then they would be thrown out of the country. many of the workers were exploited. that's the reason i voted against it. let me say this, i want to take a 11 million undocumented people in this country out of the shadows, out of fear that they are experiencing every single day. i want congress to do its job. under senator reid we did pass immigration reform. the house did not. as president i will do everything i can to pass immigration reform in path toward citizenship for those who are undocumented. >> even if it's not to your best liking? >> of course. it's not that i didn't think it was perfect. it's not a question of being perfect. nothing is perfect. that has particular egregious provis

huerta but the 2007 bill the latino -- excuse me the league of united latin american citizens, known as lulac opposed to that and that's why you saw progressive sanders votes against it. so, you know, this is a rich debate. it's very important that we have a real debate that neither the black nor the brown vote is being taken for granted. >> but you know, that provision the provision, the reason that the provision that senator sanders cited for being against it, that provision was back in the 2013 bill, and it's a bill he ended up supporting. so, how do you square that? >> congress changed radically in that time. i was down there with tfamilies in south fighting against horrible bills across the border from phoenix to birmingham. and you know, the reality is that by 2013 a lot of folks were ready to make xrcompromise is tt folks were not willing to make in 2007. the tea party on the hopefulness for what's possible. >> let me ask you a larger question here. there are a lot of deep ties that hillary clinton has in the latino community, delores huerta, in the african-american community. bernie s

i voted against the legislationing in 2007 in ingredient with groups like lulac, one of the large latino organizations in agreement with the aflcio for a number of reasons. i'll tell you one of them. included in that legislation was a guest worker provision which organizations saw as almost akinton slavery. guest workers came in. and if they didn't do what their bosses wanted them to do, if they didn't accept exploitation and cheating, then they're going to be thrown out of this country. and many of those workers were terribly, terribly exploited. and that was the major reason that i voted against that. i don't want to see workers in this country exploited. but i did vote for the 2013 -- and let me say this more importantly. i want to take 11 million undocumented people in this country out of the shadows. out of the fear that they are experiencing every single day. i want congress to do its job under senator reid, we did pass comprehensive immigration reform. unfortunately, the house did not. as president, i will do everything that i can to pass immigration reform and a path toward citiz

guest: i think what is important to emphasize is that lulac's position is that we support illegal immigration

it was lulac, one of the largest latino organizations in this country. it was the afl-cio.s one of the most progressive members of the congress who approved it. we are where we are right now. and where we are right now is we have got to stand up to the trumps of the world who are trying to divide us up. what we have to do right now is bring our people together and provide a path toward leadership. >> i made it very clear that those children needed to be processed appropriately, but we also had to send a message to families and communities in central america not to send their children on this journey in the dangerous hands of smugglers. i've called for the end of familiar lich y detention, for f privately run centers. this was ted kennedy's bill. i think ted kennedy had a very clear idea about what needed to be done and i was proud to stand with him and support him. >> let me just respond. i worked with ted kennedy. he was the chairman. my committee and i loved ted kennedy. but on this issue when you have one of the large latino organizations in america saying vote no and yo