lutsenko took over, someone i've known for long time. can see from the reporting that richard did, he opened the investigation of the bidens and burisma, he looked into this, interacting with giuliani. it's just in the right to say by reducing mr. shokin, the case was closed. second, just as a former state department official, white house official, why is rudy giuliani talking to the prosecutor general of ukraine? he's representing the president of the united states as his personal -- his client. what on earth does this have to do with president trump? and i think we need to understand exactly the circumstances under which these now it sounds like ten different interactions with the prosecutor general of ukraine was taking place. i really don't understand it, it sounds unprecedented to me. >> before we get back to another quick bite, piece of sound from richard's interview, michael mcfaul, one other thing the prosecutor is pressing is to go after the hillary clinton emails, he's going after the origins of the mueller probe. he does seem

mr lutsenko has changed his tune.iani, one, before new york, then three days in new york, then one or two days. the former prosecutor—general was earlier this year close to president trump's lawyer, rudy giuliani. the former new york mayor has taken a particular interest in ukraine and both men talked up a biden investigation. let's play the clip, please. shown his one—time ally‘s interview with us, mr giuliani quickly declared the friendship over. mr lutsenko is exactly the prosecutor thatjoe biden put in in order to tank the case. mr lutsenko's about—turn won't help president trump as he seeks to make this story aboutjoe biden and his son rather than his own conduct. with an impeachment inquiry under way, it's likely we are going to be hearing a lot more about rudy giuliani and what he's been doing here in ukraine. jonah fisher, bbc news, kiev. a fire at an overcrowded refugee camp on the greek island of lesbos is reported to have killed two people. an angry crowd at the moria camp complained that firefighters had t

mr lutsenko has changed his tune.ew york, then three days in new york then one or two days. the former prosecutor general was earlier this year was close to president trump's lawyer, rudy giuliani. the former new york mayor has taken a particular interest in ukraine, and both men talked up a biden investigation. let's play the clip, please. shown his one—time ally‘s interview with us, mr giuliani quickly declared the friendship over. mr lutsenko is exactly the prosecutor thatjoe biden put in, in order to tank the case. mr lutsenko's about turn won't help president trump as he seeks to make this story aboutjoe biden and his son, rather than his own conduct. with an impeachment enquiry under way, it's likely we are going to be hearing a lot more about rudy giuliani and what he's been doing here in ukraine. jonah fisher, bbc news, kiev. more than 60 flood alerts have been in place across england and wales today due to heavy rain. persistent downpours have led to some rivers bursting their banks and localised flooding of

mr lutsenko has changed his tune. one or two days. the former prosecutor general was earlier this year close to president trump's lawyer, rudy giuliani. the former new york mayor has taken a particular interest in ukraine, and both men talked up a biden investigation. let's play the clip, please. shown his one—time ally‘s interview with us, mr giuliani quickly declared the friendship over. mr lutsenko is exactly the prosecutor thatjoe biden put in, in order to tank the case. mr lutsenko's about turn won't help president trump as he seeks to make this story aboutjoe biden and his son, rather than his own conduct. with an impeachment inquiry underway, it's likely we are going to be hearing a lot more about rudy giuliani and what he's been doing here in ukraine. jonah fisher, bbc news, kiev. here in the uk, a bbc investigation into licensed puppy farming in wales, has found widespread suffering and abuse of dogs, despite regular checks by vets and council inspectors. the year—long investigation found dogs in filthy and u

mr lutsenko has changed his tune.e former prosecutor general was earlier this year close to president trump's lawyer, rudy giuliani. the former new york mayor has taken a particular interest in ukraine, and both men talked up a biden investigation. let's play the clip, please. shown his one—time ally‘s interview with us, mr giuliani quickly declared the friendship over. mr lutsenko is exactly the prosecutor thatjoe biden put in, in order to take the case. —— tank the case. mr lutsenko's about turn won't help president trump as he seeks to make this story aboutjoe biden and his son, rather than his own conduct. with an impeachment inquiry underway, it's likely we are going to be hearing a lot more about rudy giuliani and what he's been doing here in ukraine. jonah fisher, bbc news, kiev. now it's time for a look at the weather. good evening to you after what has been a thoroughly soggy weekend across many parts of the weekend, things are now, generally speaking, drying out a little bit but there are still flood warning

but yuriy lutsenko crystallized those. he wasn't some guy that walked in off the street.e was the main point of contract. they thought it was great. the white house has issued a transcript of the phone call, president trump advocated for lutsenko on that call. they didn't trust him over here. they thought he was a political operator and was too soft on corruption. on that call, president trump asked for a resotarting of the investigation. and he said, i heard you had a prosecutor who was very good and he was shut down. and that's really unfair. that's what president trump said to president zelensky, advocating for lutsenko, who his personal lawyer, rudy giuliani, had been in contact with. zelensky didn't bow to that pressure. he got rid of him in a month. it could have been a point of contention between the ukraini n ukrainians and americans. >>> it goes without saying or showing, this is front page news on every paper here, and talked about, and the people are aware of it. how much is it covered there locally? and how much are the people aware of the story? >> reporter:

lutsenko was their guy.was working with giuliani, and suddenly, his boss, poroshen poroshenko, loses the election. >> all this work giuliani had done to curry favor suddenly out the window. who's this zelensky guy and how are we going to keep pushing the story with a brand-new president. >> clearly, the president maybe needed leverage, so what do they do? they force out the ambassador who had been getting into back and forths with rudy giuliani. giuliani canceled his own trip to meet with people close to zelensky. this then, the ultimate snub. vice president pence was going to lead our delegation to zelensky's inauguration. they yank him, and it was meant to send a message. july 18th, a bigger message. they announced a freezing of aid, nearly $400 million that wows supposed to go to ukraine. it's not clear if the ukrainian government knew it was frozen over all this, but this leads to the phone call on july 25th, which by the way, happened the day after mueller's testimony to congress. we think it's worthy o

you know, there's been contradictory statements by y i yuriy lutsenko.en saying since may that the bidens did nothing wrong. but before that he was one of the leading advocates of the sort of speculation, the conspiracy theory that joe biden acted inappropriately. he's basically the source of that rumor. not so much the source, but the main point of contact inside the authorities for rudy giuliani and the trump administration in its kind of efforts to find dirt on joe biden. it seems that yuriy lutsenko reached out to rudy giuliani back in january of 2019. they met in that month. they met in the following month as well in which we expected they discussed things related to this. they did seem to go into it whole hog. we've seen now that white house transcript of the conversation on july the 25th between president trump and his ukrainian counterpart where the president of the u.s. actually advocated for this prosecutor general who had already been essentially on his way out being dismissed by president zelensky. he said i heard you had a prosecutor who was

and despite president trump's claims, ukraine's former prosecutor general yuri lutsenko told nbc new'ss unaware. as biden prepares to hold his first campaign rally in nearly a week, his campaign says as of yesterday it was close to garnering 670,000 donations this fundraising quarter with an average donation of $46. if that's the case, they have raised over $30 million in the last quarter. nbc news correspondent mitch mcconnell mike memoli is in las vegas where in an hour joe biden is going to take the stage. mike, we've heard some things out of the campaign this week and we have heard some rumblings of what joe biden has been telling people. what is joe biden's response right now? >> reporter: well, what we've been seeing from the biden campaign itself is really operating on two tracks. one, they have been extremely aggressive in rebutting and challenging a lot of these accusations that we're hearing from the president from rudy giuliani and from republicans on capitol hill about what it was both that hunter biden was doing with his role with an energy company in ukraine and the vice

. >> reporter: according to the whistle-blower rudy giuliani met more than once with yuri lutsenko eventhe new president zelensky took office this may. he had accused joe biden of trying to quash an investigation of a ukrainian company that biden's son hunter was involved with. there was just one problem with the accusation. >> it turns out not to be true. the investigation that the ukrainians supposedly stopped at biden's behest had actually stopped two years earlier. >> the investigation stopped ukrainian officials say, not because joe biden asked for it, but because there was no evidence and that prosecutor lutsenko walked back the allegations and that didn't stop giuliani from rabidly the conspiracy theory. >> i found out this incredible story of joe biden that he bribed the president of the ukraine in order to fire a prosecutor who was investigating his son. that is an astounding scandal of major proportions which all of you have covered up for about five or six months. >> giuliani continued to push that conspiracy and to sell it to trump right after president trump's phone call wi

matthews tell us about lutsenko and what specifically he is questioning. >> reporter: he is the formerged after wading through these various documents including the missile blower testimony as perhaps the key figure out of ukraine, liaising with rudy giuliani. out of all these theories you've been hearing about, including the role that ukraine play in the 2016 election, specifically that allegation against former vice president joe biden and the propriety of his interventions of having a former prosecutor taken away from his post, lutsenko it seems was the main source, or crystallized the rumors in a way that giuliani was supposed to talk about. remember, this is the prosecutor general of this country. he's saying that many of the allegations or things that have been said in the whistle-blower report are not true, but he hasn't specified which of those things he doesn't agree with. >> that's an important specifics to make. matthew chance, thank you. much more on the whistle-blower scandal, after this. what's going on? it's the 3pm slump. should have had a p3. oh yeah. should have had a

>> the only thing i asked about joe biden is to get to the bottom of how it was that lutsenko -- >> sosk ukraine to look into joe biden? >> of course i did. >> you just said you didn't. >> in the days since then, it hasn't gotten much easier to pin down mr. giuliani's events. it's gone from he was acting as a private lawyer to he was following orders from the state department. he's painted himself as the true whistle-blower and hero. but that's about style. no matter what he calls himself, the actions are hard to discern. especially because the administration refuses to answer whether he ever registered as a foreign agent. maybe he needed to, maybe he didn't. but under federal law you are supposed to if you're a u.s. citizen engaged in negotiations with a foreign government. that brings us to the results of his work. >> i'm not going to give you proof. what can you do? you can't indict anybody. believe me, the proof is in the right hands. >> the right hands. can you imagine if this president with his attorney general opened up an investigation into joe biden on the basis of what they'r

lutsenko and mr. july july. a former prosecutor who alleged there was corruption with biden and backtracked on that and now says there isn't. jeff, when you hear things like that that the idea between a phone call between the president of the united states and ukraine which is an ally fighting against an adversary of the united states, russia, and that that phone call depends on, you know, the new young president who used to be a comedian in the ukraine, you know, kowtowing to trump to go after biden, that -- it's just extraordinary. like you can't -- it's just stung. >> it is extraordinary. and it is also quite at least in my reading a very obvious if not explicitly stated quid pro quo. do the favor, give us the dirt on biden, and you'll get your $250 million in military aid. it is -- in a courtroom, that would be easy to prove. this is not a courtroom. this is a political environment, but the explicitness of the interaction between the two was astonishing. >> let me ask you what david was wondering before the

they didn't violate any ukrainian laws, lutsenko said. whether board members violated u.s.dge. sara murray, cnn, washington. >>> up next tonight, how the 2020 democratic presidential race is shifting and getting just a bit rougher. thanks to priceline working with top airlines to turn their unsold seats into amazing deals, family reunion attendance is up. we're all related! yeah, i see it. and because priceline offers great deals by comparing thousands of prices in real time, sports fans are seeing more away games. various: yeah-h-h! is that safe? oh, y... ahh! not at all. no, ma'am. nope. and more people than ever are enjoying romantic getaways. (romantic music) that's gross priceline. every trip is a big deal. that's gross the doctor's office might mejust for a shot.o but why go back there when you can stay home with neulasta® onpro? strong chemo can put you at risk of serious infection. in a key study neulasta® reduced the risk of infection from 17% to 1% a 94% decrease. neulasta® onpro is designed to deliver neulasta® the day after chemo and is used by most patients tod

we met with yuriy lutsenko, who said that rudy giuliani engaged him in a long campaign to dig up dirt over democratic rival, joe biden. >> i spoke with him maybe ten times. >> reporter: was giuliani asking you about the bidens? >> yes. >> reporter: giuliani was talking to and meeting with lutsenko, because the prosecutor investigated a controversial energy company that paid hunter biden to serve on its board. while joe biden was vice president. did you find corruption by vice president biden or abuse of power or corruption by joe biden's son, hunter? >> i don't know any possible violation of ukrainian law. once again, ukrainian law, by biden and biden jr. >> reporter: hunter biden's consulting work wasn't the only subject giuliani was looking into. he wanted information that would help the president's former campaign chairman, paul manafort, now in prison in the u.s. for financial crimes. >> it was my second point with talks with giuliani. it's impossible to investigate. but they didn't violate our law. >> reporter: giuliani specifically wanted evidence, the prosecutor said, that ukra

rich ar engle found yuri lutsenko in kiev.ichard exclusive interview. >> reporter: did you find any corruption by then or a bias of power or corruption. >> i can declare that i don't know any possible violation of ukrainian law -- once again ukrainian law, by biden and biden junior. >> richard engel joins us. help us understand the role of this prosecutor. help us understand what each did in this investigation as we look at the recent history. >> reporter: okay. so there have been five prosecutors over the last several years here in ukraine. the controversy is really surrounding the one you mentioned, victor shokin. the reason there's a controversy around victor shokin. when joe biden was vice president, victor was not a popular prosecutor here. biden and several officials in this country were pushing for victor shokin to be removed in order to increase anti-corruption efforts in ukraine. biden gave a speech in which he described how he pressured the ukrainian government to remove victor shokin. he was in fact removed. the rea

. >> the only thing i asked about joe biden is to get to the bottom of how it was that lutsenko who wasppointed dismissed the case against -- >> so you did ask ukraine to look into joe biden? >> of course i did. i never said there was to collusion between the campaign or between people in the campaign. >> yes, you have. >> i have not. i said the president of the united states. there is not a single bit of evidence the president committed the only crime here, kmiered with the russians to hack the dnc. >> i'm giving you a fact you don't know. it is not campaign money. no campaign finance violation. >> they funneled it through a law firm. >> funneled through a law firm and the president repaid it. >> so sean hannity was surprised when he heard this. >> right. giuliani wants to socht -- so soften the blow and tell the story before it becomes a story. and put his own spin on. you were sitting there having to react. so he wants to put his own spin on it and therefore protect the president, which is what he does -- >> and there is a purpose to this and that is for the president and some of the

joe biden -- >> the only thing i asked about joe biden is to get to the bottom of how it was that lutsenko, who was appointed, dismissed the case against antac. >> so you did ask ukraine to look into joe biden? >> of course i did. >> today joe biden called trump and giuliani's allegations not credible, and he added this. >> t-- >> late this afternoon, biden issued a state about these latest reports on trump's conversations with the ukrainian leader, which said in part and we quote, if these reports are true, then there is truly no bottom to president trump's willingness to abuse his power and debase our country. donald trump should immediately release the transcript of the call in question and direct the office of the director of national intelligence to stop stonewalling and release the whistle-blower notification to the congress. a lot to talk about, as we say, as we end another week. here for our leadoff discussion on a friday night, frank figliuzzi, former fbi assistant director for counterintelligence. shannon pettypiece, veteran journalist, senior white house reporter for nbc news di

lutsenko, the former prosecutor now of ukraine, but the one that followed mr. shokin, who was the prosecutor that joe biden helped get removed, when he reopened an investigation into burisma and hunter biden after meeting with mr. giuliani? >> well, i think the telephone call lays it out unfortunately. look, this has nothing to do with me being the co-chair of the biden campaign, not a lot to do with me being a member of congress. it has a lot to do with me being an american citizen and listening to a president withhold funds to a foreign country, then call the foreign country and say, hey, i need a favor. my guy is going to come see your guy, and by the way, i need you to investigate my political opponent, who is beating me in the polls. and he mentioned rudy maybe four or five times in that short excerpt that we have. and by the way, it was a 30-minute call, and we have a 2,000-word excerpt. there's a lot missing. but the president over and over again said, my guy, giuliani, rudy, and my attorney general are going to come see you, and they need to talk to you

joe biden -- >> the only thing i asked about joe biden is to get to the bottom of how it was that lutsenkoho was apointed dismissed the case against -- >> so you did ask ukraine to look into joe biden. >> of course i did. >> you just said you didn't. [ laughter ] >> jimmy: don't worry about what i said. what comes out of my mouth has nothing to do with what's happening in my brain. they're totally different parts. this was quite a back and forth. the way it ended i would have been less surprised if giuliani had turned into a bat and flew away. >> your network is a creature of the democratic national committee. >> rudy giuliani, i appreciate your take -- >> and you should be embarrassed to be on that network. >> i'm 9 one who should be embarrassed? i am embarrassed. >> man, cnn -- >> i'm embarrassed. i'm embarrassed. for you. have a good night. >> you shouldn't be embarrassed for me. >> have a good night. somebody needs to. >> i'm worried about you. >> you're not aware of what you're doing. >> of course i'm aware of what i'm doing. >> good night. have a good night. >> well, you shouldn't ha

his successor lutsenko told bloomberg news he found no evidence of wrongdoing by the bidens, but that hasn't stopped the president and allies to push the allegation in recent months. joe biden prepared to announce his presidential bid. in early april, his eldest son, donald trump jr. and his campaign manager tweeted out links painting biden and his son unethical. the tweets came as he pushed ukrainian officials to investigate the unsubstantiated allegations. he called him to congratulate him after he was elected. four days later, joe biden announced his presidential candidacy. since biden's announcement, the president, giuliani, the republican national committee and other surrogates lobbed accusations at biden on activities in the ukraine. in a phone call, the one in the middle of the controversy, according to notes from that call released by the white house last week, president trump asked president zelensky to work with giuliani and attorney general william barr to launch an investigation into biden's role in that firing. in a piece for nbcnews.com, they look at the efforts by presi

>> the only thing i asked about joe biden was to get to the bottom of how it was that lutsenko dismisshe case against -- >> so you did ask ukraine to look into joe biden? >> of course i did. >> joe biden can be involved in bribery. joe biden's son can get $1.5 billion from china and you won't cover it. and you want to cover some ridiculous charge that i urge the ukrainian government to investigate corruption. well, i did. and i'm proud of it. >> you just admitted it. did the president talk to the ukrainian president about what he wanted done with joe biden and what he wanted done with paul manafort? >> i have no idea. i don't know if he did and i wouldn't care if he did. he had every right to do it as the president of the united states. >> he is talking about a fool's errand, but that might be rudy's way of getting ahead of this story. with details of the july phone call between donald trump and the president of ukraine. from that story, quote, president trump in a july phone call repeatedly pressured the president of ukraine to investigate democratic presidential candidate joe biden's

let me state again, for the fifth time on this show, the former ukrainian prosecutor journal, urie lutsenkod bloomberg journal, we do not have any grounds to think there was any wrongdoing of hunter biden. that said, do you think it's acceptable for the child of a president or vice president to be sitting on the board of a foreign company while their parent is conducting foreign policy? >> look, i have a lot of beliefs about ethics rules and the need for our government in the united states to go far further in the rules that we have. but the fact that the republicans right now are trying to use this to distract from the president of the united states, and his own actions, is to me incredible. and so, yeah, i have problems with the way things happen. i have problems with congresspeople coming in, withholding their office and walking right out the door and going to work for lobbying firms. there are a lot of things i see in washington that need changing, and i intend to bring a whole new suite of ethics laws to the white house when i get there. but right now, we have a crisis in our country.

>> the only thing i asked about joe biden is to get to the bottom of how it was that lutsenko, who wased -- >> rht >> dismissed the case against -- >> so did you ask the ukraine to look into joe biden. >> of course i did [ laughter and applause >> seth: what? you just said -- you just - i mean, i've seen witnesses break down under cross-examination, but never the lawyer sometimes i can't decide with rudy if he's really a confused old man or if it's all an intentional strategy that he keeps [ bleep ] up, because he's a confused old man [ light laughter ] it's sometimes impossible to follow rudy's logic and syntax in this interview. just watch as within the span of one sentence, he calls the allegation ridiculous, says he's proud of it, then calls it ridiculous again >> you want to cover some ridiculous charge that i urged the ukrainian government to investigate corruption well, i did. and i'm proud of it. >> then it's not a ridiculous allegation you just admitted it >> it's a ridiculous allegation. >> you just admitted it. >> it's a ridiculous allegation. >> rudy -- >> of course, of cou

lutsenko and mr. giuliani. >> yes. that's a classic way diplomacy works. would know this better than i, that at a lower level, you are having all of these conversations about zelensky wants to have a white house visit, and trump -- >> yeah, but usually it's like he wants to go at a state dinner or he wants -- full or partial lunch or dinner. it's not like dig up dirt on biden. >> it's usually incremental things, we need you to show a little more leg on this or that. in this case it's about basically violating the constitution and violating law. and then we'll have the conversation with you. i mean, if this goes back to something ben was talking about earlier. ukraine, it's tragic because it's blood pressure a hbeen a h bed of corruption and all of the reporting shows that when you have these prosecutors the way they operated was i'm going to prosecute you, but if you give me a bunch of dough i'm not going to do it. and again as ben knows from the beginning we are over there in ukraine saying you've got to end this prosecution because our goal was ukraine a

lutsenko retracted claim after. trump called into offer his congratulations. personal attorney rudy giuliani traveled to ukraine to dig up information that would be helpful to his client but canceled after 2 days of public announcement. a short time later trump would look at foreign-source information. >> i think you might want to listen, there's nothing wrong with listening. a few months later notified notified of his decision to withhold $450 million and still at war on eastern border with russia, then the president calls zelenski on july 25th, a couple of weeks later, a portion of what the president said oh to zelenski. later in that call later trump brought up joe biden, a lot of talk about joe biden's son that biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of of people want to find out about that and whatever you can do with attorney general, that would be great. giuliani traveled where he met representative of zelenski all of which prompted a whistleblower to raise concern the president is using power to leverage political dirt on an opponent in upcoming electi

attempted contact with at least seven ukrainian officials including then-prosecutor general yuriy lutsenkoaid giuliani told him to investigate the bidens. >> have you got any evidence that joe biden acted in any way which supported hunter biden's company? >> it is not by jurisdiction. >> reporter: under ukrainian law you've got nothing? >> nothing. certainly. >> reporter: he said the two were circumventing official channels. he told us giuliani also tried to set up a meeting with president-elect zelensky, but he said no because he realized everything where -- everything about the story was toxic. >> thank you so much. >>> on "60 minutes," saudi arabia's de facto leader gave his first tv interview since the murder of a "washington post" contributor at a saudi consulate in turkey. "cbs evening news" anchor and managing editor norah o'donnell spoke with crown prince mohammed bin salman. the cia. believes he was behind the -- the cia. believes he was behind the killing of critic and columnist jamal khashoggi in istanbul. >> reporter: did you order the murder of jamal khashoggi? >> translator:

>>how it was that lutsenko who was appointed bright dismissed the case against and tell you did ask ukraineabout biden's threat to withhold aid ukraine over ukrainian prosecutor disliked by the obama administration. >>alleged that had something to do with biden's son hunter business dealings inside the country. and unproven connection, us and leave in 6 hours. >>the prosecutors not fired you're not getting the money. son of a bench. and they put in place, someone who was solid. at the time. >>democrats fear the president or the associates have essentially invited ukraine to meddle in the 2020 election. not unlike donald trump junior is meeting with a russian attorney at trump tower in 2016 in 2017 the president defended his son's actions. most people would have taken that meeting. >>it's called opposition research or even research into your opponent, but it's very standard where they have information and you take the information and just like the russia probe there are inconsistent season. the president's comments on the whistleblower. >>president claimed he had read the whistleblower compl