lutz died in 2005 does not mean his work and importance of his work died with him. there are other many + individuals identified in the plan. >> it's 2010. >> those numbers are valid in the plan. >> it's 2010. you conclude dr. lutz's phone number in your plan for a response, that you have not taken this responsibility seriously. mr. mulva, the same true for you, is it an embarrassment for conoco phillips to have that as part of your plan? >> the plans need to be updated more completely. obviousll it is embarrassing but we look towards the institution and not necessarily the individual. >> it just seems to me for each of your companies the only technology you seem to be relying upon is a xerox machine to put together your response plans, that there wasn't enough effort put together to ensure that in the gulf if a catastrophe occurred you would be able to respond, did you, mr. mckay? in the first week your company developed a document that showed that your range of possibilities for an accident was 1,214,000 barrels a day. and yet your company continually in the first