so in the lydia case i believe that they interpreted any kind of bodily movement of lydia's as a willfulrit that they needed to break so that's why the session last ds as long as we've heard of seven hours. >> i guess there's clearly abuse and in the lydia case i don't think anybody in the church would say it's acceptable. is it fair to be casting aspersions against an entire church organization as opposed to just bad individuals who clearly abuse a child? >> well, i think that that's where the history of the ifb has come into light now. abc 20/20 did a documentary on april 89th called shatter faith in which they did a whole year to do a piece on this culture. the findings were yes, this is what's being taught from the you will pits of these pastors. >> i should point out we called the church for a response to talk to the pastor and did not get a response, but we look forward to continuing that discussion. joycelyn, i appreciate your time the findings were yes, this is what's being taught from the you will pits of these pastors. >> i should point out we called the church for a response t

so in the lydia case i believe that they interpreted any kind of bodily movement of lydia's as a willfulbreak so that's why the session last ds as long as we've heard of seven hours. >> i guess there's clearly abuse and in the lydia case i don't think anybody in the church would say it's acceptable. is it fair to be casting aspersions against an entire church organization as opposed to just bad individuals who clearly abuse a child? >> well, i think that that's where the history of the ifb has come into light now. abc 20/20 did a documentary on april 89th called shatter faith in which they did a whole year to do a piece on this culture. the findings were yes, this is what's being taught from the you will pits of these pastors. >> i should point out we called the church for a response to talk to the pastor and did not get a response, but we look forward to continuing that discussion. joycelyn, i appreciate your time tonight. thank you very much. >> sure. thank you. >> we reached out a number of times to request an interview or statement. he declined so did the fairhaven bapt church-our in

when he arrived he tried to save lydia with cpr. both of the parents present. >> she's swallowed a lot of vomit. >> couldn't figure out what was going on. she was like really tired and her eyes, vision was blurry. >> reporter: and listen later in the day to the seriously injured zaria. >> where do you get spanked? just on the arms and your back? >> on my bottom and on my back last night, too. underneath my feet. >> underneath your feet? >> zariah, i'd like to take you to the hospital, okay? >> i probably need to bring a pot because i might throw up again. >> reporter: at the sentencing hearing, 11-year-old zaria, seriously recovering from her injuries had the courage to address her parents in open court about her deceased sister. she said, "why did you adopt her? to kill her?" it's a heart-breaking story. kevin pleaded guilty to murder and torture and will be in jail for at least 22 years. and elizabeth for at least 12. >> do you think if the shatzs did not read the pearls' book there would be a good chance lydia would still be aliv

no, that's my policy regarding a woman named lydia. all right. (laughter) this is... no, that's my position on the location of the labia. that's not it. (laughter) oh, that's the funny comedian from the movie "hey lady!" come on, cain. you're forgetting the cardinal rule: if you study high you have to be high when you take the test! (laughter) pull it together! (cheers and applause) >> i've got to go back. i've got all this stuff twirling around in my head. (laughter). >> jon: no, i feel for you, you know? i have a lot of things twirling around in my head as well. difficult but you know being president's a real nonstop head stuff twirl fest. (laughter) if i may quote abraham lincoln. (laughter) eventually, though, once the stuff stops twirling, herman cain did come up with an answer. >> i would have done a better job of determining who the opposition is. and i'm sure that our intelligence people had that... had some of that information. based upon who made up that opposition, okay, based upon who made up that opposition, might have caused me to make some different dec

lydia's new leaders know the treatment of detainee's is being closely -- libya's new leader is now thereatment of detainees is being closely monitored by the world. >> imagine being stopped in a sealed container for 17 months ending completely cut off from the outside world. that is exactly what six people put themselves through as part of an important experiment to see how human beings would cope with a long space flight. reports from moscow. >> it was the drawer that had not been opened for 520 days. behind it, six men, who only had each other for comfort for 17 months. then they started to emerge. they had been on one of the strangest space missions of recent years, a voyage to know where, but simulating a journey to mars. >> it is really great to see you again. we have achieved the longest space voyage ever so that humankind can meet a new dawn -- reached a new dawn on a new planet. >> the idea was to test weather the men couldn't door of the stress of a long voyage -- to test whether them and called in door of the stress of a long voyage. scientists insist this was a serious exper

no, that's my policy regarding a woman named lydia. all right.uestion, shake your head and go, 9-9-9? >> mr. cain, do you think the libya comments reinforce the idea that you don't have a thorough understanding of foreign policy? >> 9-9-9. >> i love you. >> he actually said that to a nbc news camera. >>> still ahead, your tweets, and texts are next. "morning joe" moments away. is this a chevy volt? [ stu ] yeah. it's electric. i don't think so. it's got a gas tank right here. electric tank, right over here. an electric tank? really, stu? is that what you pour the electricity in? it's actually both, guys. i can plug in and go 35 miles gas free, or i can fill up and go a whole lot farther. is that my burger? oh. i just got bun. i didn't even bite any burger. whoa, wait. whoa, whoa. wait a minute. what? just like that? did you even see the allstate? it's cute. what is it? great insurance. you get accident forgiveness, deductible rewards, safe-driving bonus checks, plus a free lifetime membership in good hands roadside assistance just for calling. so

britain the united states it means arab states like qatar and all of them have to be engaged in helping lydia libya move forward in a democratic manner it will not be easy and they have the responsibility i suppose it is expected in the media aftermath of such or a tense and bloody time for the country that you are going to get a lot of tension and violence and indeed reprisals but with the promise of elections coming up in about seven or eight months time do you have any optimism that they could indeed be stability in the country in the near future. i have guarded optimism look people have deep grievances from four decades of tyranny just like after the fall of communism there is an emotion towards revenge and and cleaning the system of the no one club as it was called in the eastern europe and former soviet union so there is a lot of challenges but there is also hope because the libyans now want to build something better it's a small country they don't have divisions like in iraq of sunni shia and kurds and they have a lot of oil the oil could be a curse but i think in this case there is po

this organization you have to know when we are where nine people are working in libya you mention lydia or syria or yemen or palestine or afghanistan every day dealing with people but it also dealing with soldiers with military we normally nature very well we know the securities issues so these people are absolutely critical to understand but also to talk to that's one element the other element is there is no crisis anymore in the world without having a humanitarian element but there is also security element there is also economical and today so we very important to bring that together. indeed that send this years to you with this seven country where present a lot of interesting discussions for us and interesting experience very important for us to be able to to have this type of discussion so it's interesting that you consider the more security the militarization this is right i think it is in giving conditions at least you know these days there's a growing line between military and security you should not look any more into just armed or a war i think what is a war today i would ask y

this is a 7-year-old lydia shotz beaten to death by her parents and hannah williams left outside diedok how to train up a child found at the scenes. the authors say they can't be held responsible for the death. those stories and the ridiculous at the top of the hour. >> looking forward to it, as always, sir. >>> all right. what does the average american family spend $2,000 on a year? we're going to tell you next. no matter what small business you are in, managing expenses seems to... get in the way. not anymore. ink, the small business card from chase introduces jot an on-the-go expense app made exclusively for ink customers. custom categorize your expenses anywhere. save time and get back to what you love. the latest innovation. only for ink customers. learn more at chase.com/ink helps defends against occasional constipation, diarrhea, gas and bloating. with three strains of good bacteria to help balance your colon. you had me at "probiotic." [ female announcer ] phillips' colon health. you had me at "probiotic." or creates another laptop bag or hires another employee, it's not just

host: lydia, independent in illinois. caller: i watched grover yesterday on your sunday program and he admitted he was talking with the members. i have put together a letter to the editor and it should be published in the paper called "campaign against groverization ." even the president's press secretary is pleading with congress, listen to your constituents. grover norquist's pledge was actually signed by candidates. they have no obligation to follow it. please, investigate this process. host: lydia referring to grover norquist, who was our guest on "newsmakers" this past sunday. in that interview, he said, "i am not losing sleep over proposals by republicans to raise some revenues as part of the deal." guest: part of the things we have seen so far it would raise revenue in one place and cut it elsewhere. what you are seeing is a limitation, potentially, on item decision of deductions, offsetting decrease in tax rates. there are disagreements as to whether that would raise revenue or perhaps cut revenue overall. it depe

lydia came out ok. -- libya can out of character it ok.e were doing less deployments and we were not jumping on every request for military forces that came along the ugandan operation is constrained. i was more concerned about the libyan operation which was a huge investment in u.s. military capability. it put nato operations on the line and it was out of proportion as to what u.s. interests were in that area. host: ronald gumm as this money why the dod is not audited? guest: are audited. -- they are audited. it is difficult to add all those audits up. it would be very difficult because you are comparing different kinds of business practices. i don't think any complex company in the world could produce the kind of audit that would let you see everything compared and one white. the problem with all the taping -- auditing, it actually makes some things work. in some ways, it has complicated business practices. they said that if you disagree with the finding of the audit that was an automatic referral for possible criminal investigation. esse

misdemeanors subject to a trial and articles of impeachment against president obama for the illegal war and lydiait hasn't gone very far but that is what we can do with citizens. as a matter of principle the declaration of independence says that at some point in time of every act of a government is designed to reduce we have the right to resort to arms ultimately and to establish a new dispensation. i think we are certainly not there by a longshot, but i think with the founding fathers it is that the impeachment process was to be a surrogate for what was earlier the coup d'etat like against julius caesar. that is what our obligation is to insist members of congress stand that we will not elect them anymore. one observation. we refer to this overwhelmingly redacted. so how we can be so confident with the conclusion is in the mystery to me because most or all these classified. >> thank you this is a question was directed to lisieux will go out of sequence for a moment. question, proportionality, question, estimated dead in iraq range from 150,000 to 1 million. do you accept that this is an acceptab

lydia came out ok. -- libya can out of it ok. we were doing less deployments and we were not jumping on every request for military forces that came along the ugandan operation is constrained. i was more concerned about the libyan operation which was a huge investment in u.s. military capability. it put nato operations on the line and it was out of proportion as to what u.s. interests were in that area. host: ronald gumm as this money why the dod is not audited? guest: are audited. -- they are audited. it is difficult to add all those audits up. it would be very difficult because you are comparing different kinds of business practices. i don't think any complex company in the world could produce the kind of audit that would let you see everything compared and one white. the problem with all the taping -- auditing, it actually makes some things work. in some ways, it has complicated business practices. they said that if you disagree with the finding of the audit that was an automatic referral for possible criminal investigation. es