it has lydia chan's name. i do check those from time to time. >> at one point, i would imagine that the previous owner would say i don't own this, why are you calling me? now it is hard for us to enforce something on someone that is not here. that doesn't own the property. >> i understand. we have plenty of folks we never hear from. we send registered mail letter after letter. short of yanking someone out of the home which we will not do. this is someone clearly involved with the current property trying to move forward. >> even if you negotiate they don't have the ability to negotiate. they are not the owner of property. if they agreed to plant or not plant. it has nothing to do with them. if i want to work on your car and i say paint chris' car red, you are not going to be happy with that. that is how i look at it. >> i think we asked the question of council and give them a chance to speak. are we dealing with the right people? is this valid in any way, shape or form. thal appellant is appealing against not t