>> guest: well lydia maria child, great abolitionists and the first woman to entry "politico" newspaper was the editor of the anti-slavery standard before sidney howard gay took over the post. right at the end of the civil war, something to the effect that the problem is slavery was abolished because of a miserable military necessity, not a moral awakening. the abolitionist movement had called on people north and south to have this moral transformation to understand and admit that slavery was a sin and a crime and once they acknowledge that they would abolish slavery. that is not how slavery got abolished. slavery was abolished as a warmonger. that's the emancipation proclamation was. many people came to support the abolition of slavery because they felt it was necessary to defeat the south. that doesn't carry with it a commitment to equality. as you know in the immediate aftermath of the civil war as the southern states pass measures trying to almost put blacks back into slavery the so-called black codes and things like that, many were roused by that and outraged, even if they weren't

well, you know lydia maria child, the great abolitionist and the first woman to edit t a political newspaper, she was the editor of the anti-slavery standard before sidney howard gaye took over that post, she said right at the end of the civil war something to the effect that she said the problem is that slavery was abolished because of a miserable military necessity, not a moral reawakening. >> host: uh-huh. >> guest: the abolitionist movement had called on people north and south to have this moral transformation, to understand and admit that slavery was a sin and a crime, and then once they acknowledged that, they would abolish slavery. but that's not how slavery got abolished. slavery was abolished as a war measure, that's what the emancipation proclamation was. many people supported the abolition of slavery because they felt it was of necessary to defeat the south. that, of course doesn't carry with it a commitment to equality. as you know, in the immediate aftermath of the civil war as the southern states passed measures trying to almost put blacks back into slavery, the so-called black