and people in new york without power two weeks after the disaster, sorry, they'd be screaming to lynch him. the media has totally bailed on this and totally favoring mr. obama on this, clearly fema didn't do the job right, but okay if they stay at $300 aight hotels pennies with what we spent altogether and if they need more money, they need more money, but clearly they were not up to the job. they had quite a bit of warning about this, they didn't stock pile supplies, they didn't stock pile fooled. there is something drastically wrong-- >> why are they staying in manhattan. >> because is the cool place to stay. >> that's what i'm saying, lower manhattan and-- the damage. >> that doesn't mean they didn't have any room. sounds like they didn't have any room at the inn kind of deal, but didn't have any room at stateisland. >> and there's a borough called queens and another one called the bronx that you might be able to stay in. i guarantee there's hotels there. and this is why it just, it reeks. and listen, for all i know they checked every hotel in the bronx, in yonkers, in the surrounding,

lynch hasn't seen him since early this afternoon. hello, mrs. wang? alex and vincent are not here.ouse. you haven't heard? yes, i'll call you as soon as i hear something. now what do i do? call the police? no, please. they're not in trouble. they're probably fooling around or something. kevin, tell ramón your idea. well, uh... maybe they went somewhere to celebrate new year's-- you know, wherever kids go in this town. alex left his bag in the hall. he usually puts it away. he ripped an ad out of the paper. what? ramón: it's an ad for the embarcadero. thanks for volunteering to answer the phone, kevin. we'll check in every half hour or so to find out if you've heard anything. here's my work number just in case. hey, good luck. i hope you find them. thanks, kev for being such a good sport. i owe you one. get going, so we can find them before midnight. then we party. i almost forgot-- the baby-sitter. she's coming at 7:00. there's an envelope on the counter. please give it to her and apologize for me. no problem. thanks. they would have rented skates. yeah, i think they were here earl

after all, with having a local reporter covering the event, the local reporter after all speaks to lynch him from now's the people you're let's say that local reporter is reporting from tehran, and that local reporter knows that if he or she makes a misstep in what he or she reports, they will be arrested. they will be thrown in jail. the american reporter may get thrown out of the country but that's probably the worst thing that's going to happen. and, finally, come i find that there's absolutely no willingness on the part of our critics to believe that objectivity in journalism is possible. and i keep hearing that, there's no such thing as objectivity, to which i say, when you go to hire a lawyer, do you ask that lawyer, tell me, do you like me? i mean, do you really, really like the? because if you don't like me, and i couldn't be able to put chart in this. you expect a letter to act as a professional. when you go to see a doctor, you are not asking that doctor what his or her politics are. you simply want that doctor to deal with you on the basis of her best professional expertise. and w

him. in an open letter, lynch asked for the specifics of the accounting fraud allegations made against him and former autonomy executives, which hp said forced them to take an $8.8 billion writedown on the university. hp challenged lynch to face questions under penalty of perjury. >>> now groupon's board is reportedly expected to meet on thursday and may discuss whether to replace ceo andrew mason. reports say the move comes amid fractures between mason and two other co-founders. the board is reportedly frustrated with groupon's share performance. groupon is down -- get this -- more than 80% the year, in the u.s. yesterday adding 4% on a little bit of a pop there. >>> megaphone has made its stock market debut in london. but shares in russia's second lowest mobile operator are trading below $20 a share, the bottom of the anticipated range. the ipo is still the biggest by a russian company since 2010. so, hope you feel fully caught up on your global news now. >>> still to come, southeast asia's economies are coming up roses in the face of global uncertainties. what's driving them and will th

lynch's comments? he's throwing it back at hp. >> you know, interesting. glad you had him on. o sides to this. it's good to have heard from mr. lynch. certainly as you pointed out his reputation is one that will need mending, it would seem. one only knows what will happen given this is both what the s.e.c. and uk's serious fraud office in terms of their investigation having taken what hp gave them. as for his contention, you know, what i have a hard time understanding is why hp would do this other than that it fully believes that it is correct in its assumptions about the various things it alleges here. there is nothing to have been gained by putting this forward in any way, shape or form other than they felt it was the right thing to do after a seven-month investigation acting on a tip from an insider at autonomy. someone fairly senior but only spoke out after mr. lynch exited hp late spring. we'll see. he didn't answer specifics, of course, in terms of some of the charges we have outlined in terms of what they did, revenue recognition. and their lack, perhaps or aggressive na

him that night. they pulled out the gravel driveway on to route five in pouring rain. by lynch time when they reached -- lunchtime the rain had stopped. his mother memorable brought him a nice rare steak for lunch. you've been driving me around for three days. you deserve a good lunch she said. you have anything you want. they finished and stood on the porch with the restaurant owner looking around. not a drop of rain or breath of air disturbed it. the wind started up at the same time they did. absolutely terrific as his mother would say. the rain wishing and lashing the cars if thrown down from huge buckets. the wild weather far from alarming them made them feel exsill rated. they really having a wonderful time. as they fought their way south, the weather perhaps they should stop. they knew people in nearly every town. rob didn't want to and the mother didn't either. they drove on. then bad got worse. everywhere cars had stalled out or stuck. the road was lit wedder them. they sailed on and on feeling wonderful. looking back later the hurricane unexpected destructiveness had b

. >> we welcome mark lynch from george washington university. we will give him a chance to catch his breath. >> one country that is pro american in the riege -- region today, and yet also the country where there was an attack on our diplomatic outpost in ben -- benghazi. >> one thing important to know about libya is that even though in terms of its size, land mass, it looks a lot like egypt, in terms of actual population it is a very small country. an eight-hour drive within each other. getting back to the information age, the younger kids are all very well connected. there is still a lack of organized information among libyans themselves. for example my father was a half a mile away from the embassies when this happened. he hadn't a clue. no one knew what was going on. all they could hear was the gunfire. it was almost half a day later when they found out what was happening. so there was still a lack of organized information. there is also a lot of mistrust of the leaders. there are still a lot of factions among the leaders of the libyan government. this gets b

we approached lynch at his rural home near his operation's headquarters. he told us we were the first to bring himews of the california complaint and said he would have something to say the next day. all right, we'll see you tomorrow. >> okay. >> reporter: in the morning, mike lynch was at his office, telling us as soon as he talks with his lawyers he'd be happy to answer questions. mr. lynch, drew griffin. >> hi, how are you? >> reporter: i'm sure you're aware of the serious charges being waged against you. >> not yet. i'm waiting to speak to the attorneys. so as soon as i speak with joe and them when they call this morning, be happy to speak with you. >> reporter: four hours later, michael lynch said this. >> i have a statement that i have prepared. it says, we hope that these unproven allegations will not diminish the more than 40 years of service hhv has provided to our nation's most treasured asset, our veterans. we hope this action will not impede its ability to provide support to hospitalized veterans nationwide. thank you very much. >> reporter: well, i've got to ask you about the money, t

lynch. we will give him the chance to catch his breath. liberty is a study of the contents. the one country that is pro-american and unabashedly so in the region today, yet it is also a country where we saw in september and attack on our diplomatic outposts in benghazi. they put this contest and perspective. >> absolutely. one thing that is important to know about libya, is that even though in terms of the size, landmass that looked a lot like egypt. it is actually a very small country. benghazi was a good eight hour drive. getting back to the information age, a lot of social media, there is no a lack of organize information among the libyans themselves. my father was half an hour away from the industry when this happened. he hadn't a clue and nobody knew what was going on. >> so there is still a lack of organize information and a lot of mistrust. a lot of factionalism among current leaders of the government. people don't know they should trust them. and this gets back to the 40 years event in a positive way and kiss it was misconstrued. then they would go around and ask you

we approached lynch at his rural home near his operation's headquarters. he told us we were the first to bring him the california compliant and said he would have something to say the next day. all right, we'll see you tomorrow. >> okay. >> reporter: in the morning, mike lynch was at his office, telling us as soon as he talks with his lawyers he'd be happy to answer questions. mr. lynch, drew griffin. >> hi, how are you? >> reporter: i'm sure you're aware of the serious charges being waged against you. >> not yet. i'm waiting to speak to the attorneys. so as soon as i speak with joe and them when they call this morning, be happy to speak with you. >> reporter: four hours later, michael lynch said this. >> i have a statement that i have prepared. it says, we hope that these unproven allegations will not diminish the more than 40 years of service hhv has pray provided to our most valuable veterans. we hope this action will not impede its ability to provide support to hospitalized veterans nationwide. thank you very much. >> reporter: well, i've got to ask you about the money, though. will i mean, th

him hard! >> joining me now is the filmmaker and kelly ripa, jane lynch, dr.d wiseman. the film is really extraordinary. i know kelly and i watched it last night and we have all seen it, but i know you spent a year in this school. did it surprise you what you saw and were able to actually capture? >> it didn't surprise me and it was sort of, i think, the goal of making the film was to get out there and to show what kids go through. to show what kyle goes through. to give it something really real so that we can stop denying it so that we could stop sort of saying this is just a rite of passage. it didn't surprise me. and i think -- the scary part is it didn't surprise a lot of people. >> you were so concerned about alex, the little boy on the bus, you actually showed the footage to his mom? i want to show another clip from the film. >> at some point you've gotten used to this and i'm not. i'm not used to it. i didn't know and i'm not about to get used to it. does it make you feel good when they punch you or kick you? or stab you? do these things make you feel g

lynch was just on "closing bell." i'm surprised he doesn't have a lawyer all over him telling him not to say a word, regardless of whatever the underlying situation was. this is very bad. it puts the aqua tech administration in the pan theen of value destroyers. we were just joking in the green room how much per day did they cost shareholders here? they are in disarray over there and the only thing going for it is the multiple of something is cheap. i'm not sure what it is though. >> mike lynch, the founder of autonomy interviewed by maria moments ago said they think there's been significant mismanagement at hp and they delivered correct information to the auditor essentially saying it wasn't me. hp mismanaged this thing and we are seeing this huge write-down at this point. >> this company made a couple sizable acquisitions in the last ten years. they are getting to a point where the balance sheet is impaired. to me, it's funny to talk about value. there's got to be value more from a break-up. that's what they wanted to do when they first came in. he wanted to break the company up. in a lot of ways the deal sunk the compa

him. and you get into the hallway, and you could almost get sucked right out. >> reporter: michael alacha and timothy lynchad to check each of the structural braces that held the tower with the crane on top to the side of the building. >> you notice that the mast has ties every nine floors. so we were concerned about the upper most tie. if that tie had failed, that means the mast could fall, that 1,000-foot mast. >> reporter: if the climb was perilous, it was nothing compared to when they got out on the roof. you are tied to a rope but you're trying to get as close to the edge of the roof, a place where any normal person would not want to be. >> i'm looking for-- i'm looking for information. i know i'm sound. i'm tied off. once i know that you're tethered, i'm okay with that. you can-- you start looking around. you start doing real work, but it does make your heart beat. >> reporter: so are they heroes? they say no, just part of a larger team that responded to this accident. so it was all just in a day's work? no. even michael alacha and timothy lynch will admit it was a little more than that, scott. >> pe

founder mike lynch this morning said i utterly reject all allegations of impropriety, hp management not communicated with himed it is about, autonomy's accounting was done directly under ifrs accounting ruleses, different from u.s. gap rules, hp to explain how its accountants missed what led to a write down worth $5 billion. some of the blame here clearly lays with hp management. we are not going to debate mike lynch here in the open exhp management says. look forward to a trial something in the system where mike lynch and veers to answer to this under penalty of perjury. quite a back and forth here. >> this is one of the great food fights i have seen when you have got the back and forth here. i tweeted out this morning, you want to ask whether lynch doth protest too much. looking at that both sides, we knew, staying so many times, forensic accountant out there, short sellers out there, raising flagsers of the very issues hp is raising before the acquisition. the point, why did they do the acquisition you gets you to the point, maybe hp was desperate, they see the business having serious problems? >> you had

him. his grandfather used his gun to stop a lynching. fascinating way to thread that needle. one of the better ads of the year. we have scorecards for every major group on hot line. you can see how they did. the chamber of commerce and the nra didn't do all that great. they endorsed two democrats. >> chambers spent $4 million trying to defeat tim kaine of virginia. >> north of $3 million in the hawaii race. the race problem wasn't a race to begin with. let's go back to obamacare. what was at stake? >> aside from obamacare, you have three supreme court justices that could come up. ginsburg is 79. kennedy, and scalia are 76. bryer is 74. that could possibly give obama two more supreme court picks. i think the senate is going to be slightly more liberal, the more radical, a lot more female. my sister once read a vote by a harvard professor called "it woman's way of knowing" and to suggest the women have a different way of negotiating than men. with 23 women in the senate, things may get done. you also have a lot of energy of new senators. there is a big scramble up there. my ove

him to resign. the board president refused to answer questions today but did make a statement during the meeting. >> i don't want you to be distracted by political lynchingand continued to read about. the county legal arm is auditing the expenses which the office says totalled just over $36,000. the executive says some poll says surrounding the county cards are confusing and changes are already being made. >> we have looked significantly at our monitoring procedures and we're concerned that we maintain integrity of the p card system. >> the supervisors say an audit needs to be done and presented to the board. >> when reviews are completed, you'll hear a little bit more from me. >> executives are auditing his expense reports then will be a report of the use. in san jose, abc 7 news. >> a new documentary claiming a florida death row inmate admitted he killed nicole brown simpson and ron simpson in 19 -- 1994. in the film his brother and a profiler recalled conversations where he recalls meeting brown. simpson was acquitted but found liable in a civil trial. goldman's sister calls it apalling. >> john mcafee the millionaire developer remains on the run, he

i saw mark lynch in the hall. i want to thank him. the other thing, i meant to mention a book p.j.ust mentioned the ikenberry book. especially to the students that are here. jonathan heightses, "the righteous mind." how you change peoples' minds. i think it's a deep and important question that he explores that unfortunately we don't have time to talk about today even though we talked about a lot of interesting things. >> there is a lot of state department people here. who's budget are you taking the money out of? >> i think i gave a hint before. i think we should -- i'm reading a book in which a passage about why are there so many embassies somebody invented the telephone. that was a while ago. you know, i just think we need to look at what are our priorities. how do we reach the important national goal and give the way the state department is structured. that's the best way to do that. it's easier -- judith d a great job reorganizing diplomacy. it's easier to do than than the whole state department. i'm talking about shifting dollars. >> i started off my ten your by saying this wo

. >> we welcome marc lynch from washington university. we'll give him a chance to catch his breath. jen'nan, libya's a study of contrasts. the one country that is pro-american, unabashedly pro-american in the region today, and yet it's also the country where we tragically saw in september an attack on our diplomatic outpost in benghazi. put this contrast in perspective, you know, for the group. >> yes, i mean, absolutely. i mean, the one thing that's important to know about libya is even though in terms of its size, land mass it looks a lot like egypt, in terms of its actual population it's a very small country, 6-8 million best guesstimates, and they're really pretty much in two cities, tripoli and benghazi, which is a good eight-hour drive from each other. and getting back to the sort of information age, while there is a lot of social media, and the younger kids are all very well connected, there's still a huge lack of organized information among the libyans themselves. for example, my father was half a mile away from the embassy when this happened. he hadn't a clue. nobody knew w

him. his grandfather used his gun to stop a lynching. fascinating way to thread that needle. one of the better ads of the year. we have scorecards for every major group on hot line. you can see how they did. the chamber of commerce and the nra didn't do all that great. they endorsed two democrats. >> chambers spent $4 million trying to defeat tim kaine of virginia. >> north of $3 million in the hawaii race. the race problem wasn't a race to begin with. .et's go back to obamacare what was at stake? >> aside from obamacare, you have three supreme court justices that could come up. in the bird is 79. kennedy, and scalia are 76. cryer is 74. -- bair is 74. that could possibly give obama two more separate court picks. -- supreme court picks. i think the senate is going to be slightly more liberal, the more radical, a lot more female. my sister once read a vote by a harvard professor called "it woman's way of knowing" and to suggest the women have a different way of negotiating than men. with 23 women in the senate, things may get done. you also have a lot of energy of new senators

lynch as well. the president's campaign used him in an advertisement because he is so popular and he has been on therogates like that. the president's campaign is very smart to use some of these people like senator sheheen, who is more of a centrist democrat, favorable among independents. if you are a new hampshire voters and watching television, you might give refuconfused by l but ads and then you see what your popular politicians speaking on their behalf, you might be likely to sway your vote in that direction. i think that the two u.s. senators and their endorsements of the two opposition candidates have been very important here in new hampshire. host: who won in 2008 and why, and how's it looking good six days to go? guest: president obama won by nine points in 2008. senator mccain had spent a lot of time here, not only in his primary campaign in 2008 but previous to that in 2000, i think he had over 100 town hall meetings in new hampshire during that time. so he has been to a lot of different places. i'm sure it was a disappointment for him. he continued to come to new hampshire on behalf of g

lynch would come out and defend himself and his company with great vigor because, as you pointed out in your interview with himhis reputation is at stake in a very fundamental way. i guess the final thing i would say is, you know, the assets in a company are not just products. they're not just markets. they're people. so you have to work very hard to have good relations with people, particularly hard-charging entrepreneurs like dr. lynch. from the moment the negotiation begins to well after an acquisition closes. clearly, there may be some issue there as well. >> can this company be turned around? i mean, moody's has cut its rating. let's talk about the future here. do you think -- i mean, i know it doesn't happen overnight, but can this turn around? >> well, i think there are two questions there. first of all, you know, no ceo can turn this thing around in a year. meg whitman has appropriately said she needs more time. however, i think there are two issues. one, if she needs more time, what are the milestones that people should be looking towards? in other words, what are the specific goalposts along the way

him to step down. won't respond to reporter questions today but did address the credit card controversy with a statement. >> i don't want you to be distributed -- distracted by the political lynching you continue to read about. >> he told fellow supervisors his constituents are more concerned about escalating violence. >> i haven't been talking about a the 19 inch tv in my office i purchased in 2009. what we talked about is the recent shooting yesterday. >> the sul -- supervisor says she wants an audit finished as quickly as possible. >> so we're looking at this legally. >> this includes aws personal bankruptcy filing last year despite a salary. many say the public servant deserves benefit of the doubt. >> he has done a lot for the city. so he's got a lot of supporters.. >> people are wondering what is going on. we're going to find out. that will be public record. >> he says he's cooperating with the audits and investigations and will have more to say, soon. >> certainly, when the review is completed, you'll hear a little bit more from me. >> he made comments about the board is looking at wide spread policy changes with regard to+9ñúñ issued credit cad use in the wake of this scan

and they're taking shots at him anonymously as well saying, this say weird one, on at least two different cross-country flights on an hp private jet, mike lyncht and refused to talk with anyone for the entire flight, and then they have a spokesman for lynch saying that he had not been on a corporate jet before and didn't know the proper etiquette. very bizarre and strange story. >> the whole story is bizarre. it's hard to imagine that -- >> now we get down to petty things. >> right but the big story you've been talking about, it's hard to imagine revenue mischaracterizations could cost them 8.8 billion on an 11 billion acquisition. >> there is a bit of sandbagging in the numbers. there might have been problems at autonomy and $8.8 billion seems like a stretch. >> i would put it the other way, this may turn out to be one of the greatest value destruction acquisitions in modern history that hp made such a mess out of this company. >> as a function of fraud? >> i think fraud will turn out to be a relatively small part. i don't think revenue mischaracterizations cost $8.8 billion. >> i think they said $5 billion was the write-down related to acco

him to resign. board president refused to answer any reporter questions today but did make a statement during today's meeting. >> i don't want you to be distracted by political lync lynching that you have read today and continue to read about in the print media. >>reporter: the county legal arm is auditing the expenses which his office says totals over 36,000 during a 4 year period. county executive says some of the policies surrounding county issued credit cards are con fasting and changes are already being made. >> we have if looked significantly at our monitoring procedures. we are very concerned that we maintain the integrity of the p card system. >>reporter: fellow supervisor say an audit of his reimbursement needs to be done and presented to the board as quickly as possible. he says he is cooperating with the process and will have more to say in the future. >> certainly when the review and inquire are completed you will hear a little bit more from me. >>reporter: he made his comments today because the board is looking at more wide spread policy changes with regard to county issued credit card use in the wake of this scandal and the hot topic will be back before the

lynch and that's the case basically mitt romney was trying to make. this is why i've said everything on your show. i've been saying for last 11 months. i told you all along if we nominated himwe would be doing this show the day after the election and michael, i'm going to toot my own horn, too. >> you said yesterday that you were talking to conservatives who'd given you the indication that suddenly they found some passion for mitt romney. >> well, i was just relaying to you what people were telling me. listen. i'm the guy on a national conservative radio show two days ago and predicted obama to win and took the hate mail for it. i like to live in reality and look at the numbers and not open what the truth or reality is. >> too old, too white. first read said what happened last night was a demographic time bomb that had been ticking and that blew up in the gop faces. let's look at some of the key groups, maria teresa. african-americans, 93%. we knew that. latinos, 71%. we knew they were siding with the president but it was a question of would they turn out. they upped the number this time around. unmarried women, 67%. folks, between or under the age of 30, 60% of the vote. t

michael lynch, one of the founders of autonomy, who had run at hp. we heard from himt yesterday saying in an interview. there was nothing done at the company under his watch that would in any way indicate anything like the types of charges being made by hewlett-packard. he said as well that he was not even aware of the investigation that had been going on since late may when a so-called whistle-blower came to hp's management and detailed some revenue recognition issues brought to our attention yesterday. i can tell you sources close to the company, being hp, they find that hard to imagine he wouldn't have been aware given all the questions being asked by hp's management over the last few months and by pricewaterhouse coopers as it began and continued that investigation on behalf of the company into autonomy's accounting. we have heard from deloitte, the firm that audited autonomy's numbers. they say they were not engaged by hp or by autonomy to provide due diligence in relation to the acquisition of autonomy. deloitte you can was auditor to autonomy at the time of its

. >> like rick lynch, a quadriplegic who participated in an eight-week study, wearing the glove about two hours a day helped himher than just using one finger to type, now i'm trying to use two fingers on one hand. this allowed me to not only regain some dexterity but also learn you to to play the piano. >> joe carter, cnn, atlanta. >> amazing. >> that's really cool. >> 21 minutes past the hour. coming up, the fiscal cliff. and what it really means to you. christine romans is going to explain it all to us. ♪ atmix of energies.ve the world needs a broader that's why we're supplying natural gas to generate cleaner electricity... that has around 50% fewer co2 emissions than coal. and it's also why, with our partner in brazil, shell is producing ethanol - a biofuel made from renewable sugarcane. >>a minute, mom! let's broaden the world's energy mix. let's go. ♪ ♪ hi dad. many years from now, when the subaru is theirs... hey. you missed a spot. ...i'll look back on this day and laugh. love. it's what makes a subaru, a subaru. i have a cold, and i took nyquil, but i'm still "stubbed" up. [ male announcer ] truth is,

lynch has said about this. he makes the point that during the whole due diligence process, that hp, in his words when i spoke to himght, said they threw everything at us. so he does have this argument which is if there was all of this going on, how come -- he says they put 300 people into that due diligence. how come that wasn't spotted in the period when they were doing this due diligence? and it's a pretty fair question to ask. >> would it be fairly easy to spot? i'll ask brian as well. >> you would imagine so. i'm not an accountant, but, you know, if you look at the size of the writedown that hp is doing, and effectively, they are laying the blame almost entirely on autonomy, you'd think they'd spot that. >> what do you think, brian? it's pretty clear, people were astonished by the price they were paying to begin with, just on the ordinary financials. >> from an execution standpoint, it did not pan out. if you're taking into consideration other -- well, large, fraudulent issues in the past, you know, these go on for many, many years. sometimes they're very difficult to finally uncover, but i think it only is a m

lynch in the hall. i know he couldn't hear but i wanted to thank you for the. it was right nice of himto allow me to do the together thing, i mentioned a book that p.j. mentioned, the eikenberry book, especially to the students were here which is the righteous mind. to me, and most important factor in public diplomacy is how to change peoples minds? and i think it's a very, very deep and important question that he explores, the unfortunate we didn't have time to talk about today the we talked about a lot of real interesting things spent there's a lot of state department people here, so who's budget are you taking the money out of? >> i think i gave a little hit before. i booted to thank that we should, we should, i'm reading a book in which why either so many embassies, somebody has are intended the telephone. so that was a while ago. you know, i just think we need to look at what are our priorities? how do we reach these important national goals? and is the way the state department is structured the best way to do that? look, obviously it's easier -- a great job of organizing public d

lynch listening in on the conference call that hp is having and perhaps we'll be able to get to him. >> do you think he would come on the show? >> he might. defend himself. >> he expects to comment on it later on today. >> meg whitman -- >> there will be pushback against hp's contentions. they don't use the word fraud. i use the word fraud. it's a sharply worded statement from them that says we were completely taken advantage of and you guys made stuff up. >> put it in context. you have covered the great frauds. this is a huge one. >> it's a big number. >> maybe not enron or worldcom but maybe nortel. >> maybe sunbeam. >> chainsaw with -- no. you're talking about the warehouse full of grills that didn't exist. >> did they exist? >> came to my office with sunglasses on. never trust a man with sunglasses on indoors. >> never took his sunglasses off? >> i never trust someone like that. >> bono is out in that case. at least there he has rose colored glasses. >> i don't know if he had a light problem. we don't know. >> when you get to fraud, you got to just sit back and say is there anyth

him now. ♪ crank, tank the tractor ♪ ♪ she cranks, cranks ♪ . >> gretchen: i get it now. justin lynchirst let's check in with mar this mccallum for what's coming up at the top of the hour. don't you wish you could have that kind of music op your show, too? >> i do. i love the end of your show 'cause we get treated to that. thank you so much. good morning, everybody. well, as the fiscal cliff and two sides seem to be digging in, we've got senator imhoff and others to battle it out. and peter king on susan rice. the most important question for the potential secretary of state may be what does she really believe about the threat of al-qaeda? bill and i will see you on that and much more at the top of the hour [ female announcer ] a classic meatloaf recipe from stouffer's starts with ground beef, unions, and peppers baked in a ketchup glaze with savory gravy and mashed russet potatoes. what makes stouffer's meatloaf best of all? that moment you enjoy it at home. stouffer's. let's fix dinner. >> brian: he's one of country music's hottest new artists with his debut album hitting number one

gun talk about how nobody's are going to take it away from him, and his grandfather, right, settled in the area and used his gun to stop a lynching. so a really fascinating way to sort of thread that needle. one of the better ads of the year. it's funny by the way that as look at the outside groups, and by the by, go read hotline today. we have scorecards for every major group. you can see everything in their endorsement and how they did in the candidates they were picking. the chamber of commerce of the nra didn't do all that great for the two races they called with two democrats they endorsed the both of them indoors, john barrow and jim matheson. >> the chamber spent over $4 billion trying to defeat tim kaine. another comment on the limit of money, the outside money. >> here's another fun fact. the chamber spent north of 3 million i think on the hawaii senate race where linda lingle lost by a score of 63%-37%. it was a wider margin that dan a a 13 years ago. so that hawaii race probably wasn't a race to begin with. jack, let's go back to the obamacare for second. second. i think you made an interesting point. what was at stake