michael lynd, he's going to give us that special mix of history and policy expertise that we're looking for. what we wanted to do in this panel is try to -- a semester course. several of the questions from this course called "understanding lincoln." i'll begin with a couple of questions from our k-12 educators. before i ask the first question, though, let me say a few words of thanks. first of all, lance warren is the producer of the course. he's done a marvelous job of putting it together. at the new america foundation, becky schafer has been very helpful. at dicken son college, we have a student interning who has been working hard to promote in on social media. thanks to all of them. of course, thanks to the first congregational united church christ for letting us use this venue. i thoug he said, bill moyers refcalled shut down secession by any other means. he wants to know how the panel feels about how comparison or how the panel thinks lincoln might have felt about that comparison? it's become a common occurrence in this debate. >> as the head of the republican party, lincoln would