swain: how did she meet lyndon johnson? caroli: well, by chance, supposedly, but it was certainly through a woman that they both knew, and they must have heard something about each other before. it was a september afternoon when lady bird was -- had dropped into the woman's office. her name was jean behringer, a woman that lady bird had grown up with, although the woman was older than she. and lyndon dropped by the same office on the same day. and it was, as lady bird says in the -- one of the interviews, it was electric going from the first minute. and the love letters, which are just the courtship letters, which were released by the library last valentine's day, everybody should read them online. you know, you just put lbj courtship letters, and you can read the transcripts. they were -- they were conducting a hot and heavy courtship there, because -- roberts: and fast. caroli: -- because he was in washington. roberts: and really fast. he was not going to waste any time. she was either going to marry him or not. swain: he

lyndon johnson actually gave mrs.ohnson a camera for her wedding gift, and she became quite -- a really photojournalist. she had an eight-millimeter camera to capture home movies. we have hours and hours of her home movies, as well as a recorder here where mrs. johnson, every night at the white house, would record her daily observations. and this became the basis for the book, "a white house diary," which is a very insightful chronicling of those tumultuous years of the 1960s. now, mrs. johnson, though, for 34 years after the president's death, in her later years, mrs. johnson loved to sit here at this desk to keep up with her correspondence and all of her activities as a very active former first lady. also in this space, we have mrs. johnson's closet, with all of the clothing -- her formal wear, the ranch clothing, with the boots and the hats, a lot of her colorful outfits, and her shoes, one of my favorites, the straw hat with the blue bonnets painted on top, and then her private bathroom that is, again, very reflec

he appointed young lyndon johnson to head the national youth program through the state of texas and lyndonjohnson would get in a car and drive around the state and visit blacks in houston and dallas and san antonio and he would constantly tell them that one day things are going to be better. i won't forget you. i think that scarred him in a very humane way. >> we are going to get to lyndon johnson and why he was hellbent on the marshall nomination, but first i want to have some personal context for thurgood marshall. he was raised in segregated baltimore. you gave us a great glimpse into the window into the justice's family, but was there a defining moment or set of circumstances that you feel made him the fierce advocate that he was. >> from his father, to fight back, and other racial epithets at him but thurgood marshall had a job in a hat store and one day he hopped on a railway car and useful to stand in the back and he said i can't because these cats might fall of my arm and get squished and i would have to pay for them. the conductor argued with him, shoved him, he fell down, summone

first of all, lyndon johnson , they considered him one of them.had signed the 1964 civil rights bill, which in johnson's mind that was the 1st nail in the coffin for white supremacy. the 2nd now the coffin was the 1965 voting rights act. the 3rd now in the coffin of white supremacy was the nomination of thurgood marshall to the us supreme court. lyndon johnson sought to emancipate the entire american judicial system by nominating thurgood marshall to the highest court in the land. now, in june of 67 when he announced. >> or work before that there was not a seat available. so he had to use his political savvy some of the machinations of johnson politics to make that seat available. how do you make a seat available? >> lyndon johnson was hell-bent on integrating the us supreme court. but, as you noted, there is no seat. and so there was a justice on the court names tom clark ntn lyndon johnson had texas roots. and so lyndon johnson wanted to see tom clark. tom. how are you doing? how is the wife? tom, i wish i had a boy. i got all daughters. i love

lyndon johnson wanted to see him. tom. how are you doing? 's how is the wife?om, i wish i had a boy. i've got all daughters. i love them dearly, but while. go ramsey. i tell you something, i want to make him my attorney general but i cannot do it because you are on the high court and they are going to accuse me of nepotism. i tell you something, tom, i know how much you love that boy and i know how much the boy loves you and i know any daddy in the country would be so proud to see his son extends to the high court. my hands are tied. there is nothing i can do because there is no vacancy. lord, i wish there was a vacancy. a day later i interviewed justice clark's daughter. a day later justice clark, in fine health, lifetime appointment went home and said hey, i'm tired of the court. and you know, i think that it is time for me to take a long vacation, maybe play some golf. they are sent first-class tickets around the world on a fact-finding mission. >> what was the tone of the hearing. >> no. let me in case some of my miami students are out there. i went and dow

[applause] [applause] one of the things that president lyndon johnson said after he nominated thurgoodarshall and after thurgood marshall was confirmed, he said i want every black mother-to-be able to look across the breakfast table in the morning and knowing now that her son or daughter can become a great supreme court justice or a great judge. the mother of algernon marvel he was one of those ladies. she looked across the breakfast table and brought a dream into her son. i am very proud to prepare, to have a conversation with the judge who was yet one more of those seeds that sprouted in the glow of the great thurgood marshall. please come to the stage. [applause] c thank you. have a seat. [laughter] and now for the book. there have been an excess of 20 biographies written about thurgood marshall so sub or what was the impetus or showdown which tells justice marshall story through the context of the confirmation process? >> well, while there have been multiple hooks on marshall with this book i'm hoping that well someone once came to duke ellington and said that they were going to ma

. >> lyndon johnson is probably rotting in hell right now because of the vietnam war. needs to know dick cheney. >> what he did today is rather stupefying. that story is next.

since they started with lyndon johnson, we spent trillions. there aren't that many people out of poverty as a result of the spending. >> the cbo which is nonpartisan says 60% of u.s. households on average get more in government benefits than they pay into the system in federal taxes. that's a big swing. the democrats act like there are government spending fairies that pick this money off trees. it is so cynical what they are offering here. we are in deep yogurt. there is way too much grey poupon spending in washington, d.c. and we can't afford it. >> i want to pick up on the cynicism. what happens when you spend this money particularly on poverty programs you create a sense of dependency on government by people that hasn't helped america. what's really helped america grow the fastest and get more people out of poverty is that sense of independence.

but i would not say lyndon shared my feeling.t was a life that nearly as pleasant for him as it was for me. johnson misses the power and prestige of majority leader. a month after the inauguration, harry mcfear public fearson row kuhns johnson walked into the cloak room. a hush fell over as if the school principal intruded into a group of raucous school boys. now, nothing happened. it was no longer a member of the club. was as very subtle thing but you could feel it. johnson's relations with his chief and his close advisers were touchy and unstable there was a discrepancy in age, political talent and experience between himself and the president. john kennedy was nine years younger than joynson and had not yet earned his spurs. he had become in congress eight years fewer than she is vice president but was not a particularly effective senator and no dull experience as a leader. jfk was aware of the differences between them. i spent years of my life when i could not get consideration for a bill, he -- until i went around and begged

a search warrant is issued for the home of suspect lyndon wesley, but nothing is found. no cash, guns, or other evidence. suspect navahcia edwards, a part-time adult actress, has been tied to the crime. her credit card records show that she rented the getaway car and purchased the masks. because she's not making enough money as an adult actress, police believe she pulled off the heist to pay back the $20,000 she owes for stealing from a chase bank where she worked. it's that debt that winds up getting her arrested. >> she had not made full restitution on the bank embezzling case, we were actively out looking for her. we got the okay if we were to locate her to take her into custody based on the embezzlement case. we found her driving down 294 in a car by herself and some other detectives saw her driving, got behind her. i was in contact with the fbi and they said tell them to go ahead and pull her over and take her into custody. >> but once in custody, navahcia edwards doesn't cooperate. she continues to deny that she's responsible, even after her partner in crime and bo

(begin audio clip) president lyndon b. johnson: listen, lady, now the first thing you've got to learn, you've got some things to learn. and one of them is that you don't bother me. you give me strength. jacqueline kennedy: but i wasn't going to send you one more letter. i was just scared you'd answer it. president johnson: don't send me anything. don't send me anything. you just come over and put your arm around me. that's all you do. when you haven't got anything else to do, let's take a walk. let's walk around the backyard and just let me -- let me tell you how much you mean to all of us and how we can carry on if you give us a little strength. jacqueline kennedy: but you know what i want to say to you about that letter? i know how rare a letter is in a president's handwriting. do you know that i've got more in your handwriting than i do in jack's now? president johnson: (inaudible). jacqueline kennedy: and for you to write it at this time and then send me that thing today of, you know, your tape announcement and everyth

kennedy had just been astas nated hours earlier and lyndon johnson was sworn in as president as a bigobody knew if that assassination was part of a larger plot. nobody knew if the new president, johnson, might be in danger, too. that night at johnson's house, a secret service agent heard footsteps in the dark. quote, blaine picked up the thompson sub machine gun and activated the bolt on top. the next instant, there was a face to go with the footsteps. it is the new president of the united states lyndon baines johnson who had just rounded the country. a split second later, blaine would have pulled the trigger. 14 hours after losing one president, the nation came chillingly close to losing another one. if that that had happened, if lyndon johnson had been accidentally killed by that jumpy secret service agent at his house that night, then the 37th president of the united states would have been this man, speaker of the house, john mccormick. and not only was john mccormick one itchy trigger away from the presidency that night, he apparently did think he was president for just a moment o

it is the new president of the united states lyndon baines johnson who had just rounded the country.e would have pulled the trigger. 14 hours after losing one president, the nation came chillingly close to losing another one. if that that had happened, if lyndon johnson had been accidentally killed by that jumpy secret service agent at his house that night, then the 37th president of the united states would have been this man, speaker of the house, john mccormick. and not only was john mccormick one itchy trigger away from the presidency that night, he apparently did think he was president for just a moment on the day of j.f.k.'s assassination. he was misinformed that both president kennedy and vice president johnson were dead. quote, the possibility that he was at that moment president prompted a severe attack of vertigo. mccormick almost collapsed in table cloth and silverware. obviously he was not president nor did he ever have to be, although he went on to play a pivotal role in the civil rights act. he pulled it out of the hands of a chairman who bottled it up for years. when th

and on president lyndon and ladybird johnson. saturday afternoon just before 5:00, historian rohan on president nixon and the shah of iran and the effect on history. and the confederate flag in its history in relation to slavery. get our complete schedule on c-span.org. >>> many news reports and their officials refer to the refugee crisis as the worst since world war ii. next on "real america," a look back at 1946 with "seeds of destiny." a film of situations faced by war heroes and children. the graphic of hungry and poorly clothed children helped raise millions of dollars for relief efforts. this academy award-winning film may include scenes disturbing to some viewers. ♪ >>> children. the human raw material of each shattered nation's tomorrow. each nation's preview in flesh and blood of its future. pillars of a brave new world. pillars of a brave new world ages from 3 to 6 and not even able to stand. rickets. age nine, mother tortured, father burned alive. age 10, lost her senses when shells swept her dutch village. age eight,

the great society programs one of the things lyndon johnson fought for that any woman with a child out of wedlock and government would continue to provide a check if there was no man in the home today it is 25% with the man in the home so if i would bring that out makes me a sellout then i am proud >> host: are there more black conservatives they and is let on or seems to be in your view? >> absolutely. traveling all across the country to the airports when i was flying out here one of the gentleman from the wheelchair service new exactly who was and what i stood for and he said thank you there are a lot of us out here and you are a voice it isn't about party but principal faith and family and booker t. washington that says quality education and opens so many doors and that self-reliance and a larger for a new version of paul and i grew up i saw a black professional offices doctors and lawyers but you don't see that anymore which is the cradle of black entrepreneur will development that is what we need to restore public and would have been in chicago over the weekend a young black man a

he said "call lyndon johnson."so i called the president -- which you don't do everyday -- and i told him our predicament, he said "well, do you know of any vote that can be cast for this where the person wouldn't be hurt? where they would not have any trouble politically?" and i said "well, the senator from alaska could do it but he's against cloture. but he also wants a housing project in downtown anchorage." [ laughter ] and the president said "thank you" and hung up. [ laughter ] so the next morning we're on the floor, will we get cloture? most people didn't think we would do it and just as the vote tally was ending i saw the senator from alaska come through the back door and vote aye and we passed fair housing, we got the cloture on the fourth vote, no votes to spare, but we got it. then the bill went to the house and it went to -- we used to call it judge smith's committee. this was an 18th century committee -- [ laughter ] chaired by a 17th century chairman. [ laughter ] and he hated this bill. he wasn't goin

president lyndon johnson signed the national foundation on the arts a humanities act which gave birth to the nea and neh. nation's culture and a sustain am the country's artistic tradition throughout the nation of from dance of cities large and small to vast, rural spaces for all americans to experience in the arts. it was written in the world leadership which has come to the united states cannot rest solely upon superior technology, power, wealth, but must be founded upon a worldwide respect and admirationfor the nation's high qualities as a leader in ideas and the spirit. spirit and ideas. these are the things that energize us and enrich us and make our lives worth living. america is what it is today because of this commitment to chasing wild dreams & innovation and finding the passion that ignites our spirits. recognizeds of 1965 that in order to be an effective leader with might and stress, you have to have heart and soul. years, first -- past 50 that's what the national endowment of the arts has been doing from steppenwolf theater to the american film institute. from prairie home

lyndon johnson was a a southerner who grew up in a racist society. he had to confront this question. : : >> >> that is part of a disappointment. >> you lead me to my next question. we understand we have mapped out the issues at the time africans were enslaved in this country. and you can talk until the cows come home the based on the research that it was the most successful movement was the of civil rights for the women's rights movement. those that are. immigration and then you have pope francis cut man who'd dropped to the microphone at the white house who said we have defaulted on the of promissory notes that was one of the strongest statements in the "i have a dream" speech. boehner there are problems we have seen that. >> so then you have to correctly frame that. i go to the local starbucks i a high five minute arista. and she said there is a homeless guy outside who camps out by the starbucks. every day she gives them a little bit of change because she feels are for him. but when she saw him lying there barack obama is president. get a job. but

ryan was there, i started walking with him, recording our conversation, and i said, will there be a lyndon johnson like comment? he said i don't want the job, i mean what i say, i don't want to paraphrase, but now he's running for speaker. a lot of politicians make shifts like that. when you are called upon by your party, to run for vice president, even though you said i'll never run for vice president, when you are called in to save face for the party that changes a lot of minds and that's what's happening to paul ryan. >> do you havefully sense that from paul ryan he can get the congress to deal with some very big issues like the debt ceiling and the other things that can cause the government shutdown? >> i didn't talk to him about that, but the people who have spoken with him and colleagues of him said that yes is he in fact sure he can do this, he made some demands and it should be noted that even though he got the support completes say of the freedom caucus last night he didn't get their endorsement and didn't get them to say he was going to allow them to eliminate the chair, to elimi

president lyndon johnson signed the national foundation on the arts and humanities act which gave birth to the nea and the neh. the purpose was to nurture american creativity, elevate the nation's culture, and sustain and preserve the country's artistic traditions throughout the nation, from dance neighborhoods of cities large and small, to vast, rural spaces for all americans to experience the arts. it was written that the world leadership which has come to the united states cannot rest solely upon superior technology, power, wealth, but must be solidly founded upon worldwide respect and admiration for the nation's high qualities as a leader in the realms of ideas and of the spirit. spirit and ideas, these are the things that energize us and that enrich us and that make our lives worth living. america is what it is today because of its commitment to chasing wild dreams and pursuing innovation and finding the passion that ignites our spirits. the congress of 1965 recognized that in order to be an effective leader with might and strength, you also had to have heart and soul. for the past

you see lyndon johnson there. one thing we missed, right before the movement, you had a landslide victory by lbj and we usually associate him with civil rights, the great society, this is the war on poverty. , he had anservatives backing of business. most of the nations distances were behind that texan. but that was about to change. and it changes again when we look at challenges to business and it started with ufw and their boycott. most of us know the story. we saw industries by 1948, all california great -- grapes. it is not just the fruit, but also the stores that sold them. this is right behind the movement, also pesticides, it goes international, canada, the philippines, mexico. and this is what really gives the power behind this, the la causa coalition. you will not find a more diverse coalition ever in american history. they used as a 20th century, but you are not find in this anywhere. asally i like to call this hippie housewives and hardhats, but it is fancy alliteration for that gripping -- religious gr

lyndon, thank you. >> thanks, joe. before we begin, let me recognize joe and holly hampton and kiefer and angelo petro for their tireless work in putting on this event. joe mentioned if you came here today expecting a lunchtime food fight over birth right citizenship and building walls on the border, i think you'll be a little disappointed today. what we do have are four of the most thoughtful, leading experts on immigration law who represent the government who come from the hill, advocacy organizations and academia. we'll hear from them today about the issues that are really going to be going on here in the last year and a half of the administration. let me do quick introductions. down on the far end, mary giovagnoli serves as deputy assistant secretary for immigration policy at department of homeland security. prior to that position, she was the director of the immigration policy center. for a number of years served as senior lawyer at first i.n.s. and them homeland security specializing in refugee and asylum law and

garden city 45, lyndon down to 46. the winds do die down. 38 in bethel and 42 in cold spring early in the morning. 60 is the high for tomorrow. no 70s in the forecast. they'll return next week around wednesday or thursday. back to you. >> thank you very much. >>> and still ahead as we continue, trick-or-treaters all dressed up and nowhere to go. >> why parents in one long island town don't want to send their children out this year and how the kids are getting their candy instead. >>> tonight at 6:00, these cabs offer a cheap ride. the i-team's sara wallace exposes the dangers of dollar cabs. watch new york's biggest i-team meet the moore's! we're the moore family, and as you can see, we need an internet that can do more. we do more games, and more streaming. so we need more speed. that's why we switched to time warner cable. you can too. call now. now we can connect more devices, at the same time. the wifi in this house is amazing. so is my guacamole. hi grandma and grandpa! ha, look at that! [laughs] time warner cable

driver accused of contributing to a deadly tanker accident on the new jersey the 26-year-old from lyndon was cited for not having mattresses properly secured to his van. those mattresses fell on be to the highway in carney earlier this month. forced the truck driver to swerve and lose control. the truck was carrying 8500 gallons of gasoline when it burst into flames. >>> a judge has ordered a psychological evaluation for the woman accused of driving her car into the homecoming parade of oklahoma university. she will remain behind bars on a million dollar bail. she killed four and injured dozens. police say she was driving under the influence but her father says she has mental problems. were. >> i'm very sorry for those victims. >> she may have problems, underlying problems that i wasn't fully aware of. >> prosecutors plan to formally charge adacia chambers with four counts of second degree murder >>> the meat industry firing back after a report by the world health organization says that processed meat causes cancer. those processed meats include ham burger, sausage, bacon. the w.h.o. int

temperatures climbing back into the 70s. 73 in the city, 74 in lyndon. garden city, 70. even up to the hudson valley, low 70s. yanks and astros, 8:08 start. comfortable, quiet, beautiful weather for a ball game. upper 60s. weather will not be a factor. we need the yanks to come up with a big win. seven day forecast looking at 73, 74 the next couple of days so we're above normal. sunshine, drop in the temp. upper 60s. shower may be early saturday morning and it clears out. sunday looks like a winner and early next week more sunshine and warming trend upper 60s to near 70 degrees. let's see how the commute is treating us on a tuesday morning. lauren. >> taking a live look outside at the long island expressway in queens by the grand central parkway. things moving along nicely on we just got word of an accident outside of astoria boulevard blocking two lanes. as i have more information i will get it to you. heading over to the george washington bridge road work has been picked up. things moving nicely into the tolls on both levels there. at the lincoln tunnel and at the who

and, ofafter fdr course, lyndon johnson. right before the movement started, you had a landslide victory by lbj. we usually associate him with civil rights act, the great society. this is the war on poverty. he beat conservative republican barry goldwater with the backing of business. most of your nation's business was behind that texan right there. but this was about to change. and this changes when we look at the challenge to business paid and the stocks with the usw boycott. -- and this starts with the usw boycott. by 1968, it is all california grapes. and it is not just grapes. it is also the stores that sold them as a secondary boycotts. big leverage right behind the movement. and it goes international. canada, western europe, the philippines, mexico. and this is what really gives the power behind this, the lost cause of coalition. -- la causa coalition. century, ity, 20th 1950's politics. you are not finding this anywhere. the,e to call this housewives, and hardhats. fancy alliteration. religious groups across all faith

lyndon johnson introduced a very strong socialist type program in the 60s. it's called medicare. beautiful, national park system owned by the people of the united states. we have a postal service owned by the people. if guto your local library, call up the fire department, it is owned by the people. so we have many socialist programs in the united states. >> rose: for 25 years, ted koppel reported on clear and present dangers as the anchor of abc's ""nightline." of the now he is back with another one it's possibility and the impact of a cyber attack on the u.s. power grid. his new book is called "lights out: a cyberattack, a nation unprepared, surviving the aftermath." >> if one of the electric power grids was compromised, there would be no light, no cooling, no heating, no flow of water, no functioning toilets. in the cities, thousands of people would be stuck in elevators, but they'd get them out of the elevators eventually. but it could potentially be-- i mean, i don't know, you live here in the city, right? >> rose: yes. >> how much food do you have at home? how long could yo

and the same is true of roosevelt, of franklin roosevelt, of john kennedy, of lyndon johnson, of, perhaps prematurely of jimmy carter. >> but we'll have an obama resurgence, let's assume. because there's always a resurgence of interest in approval, but for now he has failed to meet the probably unrealistic expectations of people who saw in him whatever they wanted to see back then. >> yeah, and i don't fault him for that. >> you don't fault him at all for that? >> oh, i've got a few things i'd fault him for. >> name them. i want to hear it. let me see the bill of particulars. >> well, they began on the day of his inauguration. >> okay. >> i was -- his inaugural address was too rosy. what he needed to do was to say how terrible things were, just how bad they were. the speech was too much of a -- played that down too much and it was a kind of uplift. >> right. >> franklin d. roosevelt was lucky. the depression had gone on for three years. >> right. >> when he became president. but obama ended up getting ownership of that bad economy. >> correct. >> totally not his fault, but he didn't lay t

the cia, lyndon b. johnson presidential library, and the university of texas at austin cohosted this event as part of a symposium entitled "the president's daily brief, delivering intelligence to the first customer." is about two hours and 15 minutes. >> good afternoon. growth, director of the lbj president delivery. on behalf of the cia, the national record archives and records administration, and university of texas, it is my great privilege to welcome you to the president's daily brief, delivering intelligence to the first customer. 50 years ago president johnson in an address to the american business leaders said "a long axiom in my political thinking has been a man's judgment is no better than this information on any given subject." since its creation, the president's daily brief excerpt provide our commanders in chief with the intelligence that informs vital decisions related to all foreign and national security policy. in short these classified documents after presidents the tools they need to re

was never involved in any serious discussions that lyndon johnson had with foreign leaders . he was restricted severely on his ability to go into the congress to start a conversation. it was very embarrassing to him as a human being. i decided then that i had done the right thing because both of those things were changed with fritz. [applause] host: hubert humphrey was a mentor to many of us from minnesota. and to you. he suffered in the vice presidency. n't, he urgede did you to be open. vp. mondale: i went to see hubert and i said, i think i have the possibility of joining with mr. carter and running for vice president. in light of the experience you had in this office and the painful humiliation of it all, what do you recommend? he said, i recommend you take it. it is wonderful, you will learn more than any other way, you will have more influence one day then you will have all year in the senate. he said, i hope you will consider doing it. i must say, i was never sure whether he wanted me to be vice besident or he wanted me to a senior senator. [laughter] host: well, he ga

daniel: davy crockett, tan >> lyndon johnson is my favorite stories in there, he takes kennedy out, therewo endings. he had his cadillac rig the out to deer hunt. and you know sounds like a the lot of fun 92 thi. kennedy: this book is awesome as you are, willie thank you. >> thank you. kennedy: look at, that good luck with the show, the book and your endeavors in life. >> thank you much. kennedy: may you be a 10 billionaire types 50. coming up, what to to when your golf game is stalled by rain or a gator, when life floods your town, grab a wakeboard, bro, topical storm is next. bconscio. bconscio. a knack for predicting the future. reflexes faster than the speed of thought. can a business have a spirit? can a business have a soul? can a business be...alive? if legalzoom has your back.s, over the last 10 years we've helped one million business owners get started. visit legalzoom today for the legal help you need to start and run your business. legalzoom. legal help is here. tree of news so you don't gohe chasing waterfalls. topic 1. desi is like all english bulldogs, cute, dumb and skeptic

the university of texas austin and the lyndon b. johnson presidential library. the event included a discussion with former intelligence officers and daily brief authors. this is just over two hours. >>> good afternoon. it's my great privilege to welcome you to the president's daily brief delivering intelligence to the first customer. 50 years ago, president johnson in an address to american business leaders said a long axiom in my political thinking has been that a man's judgment is no better than his information on any given subject. since its creation, the president's daily brief has served to provide our commanders in chief with the intelligence that informs vital decisions relating to our foreign and national security policy. in short, these classified documents offer presidents the tools they need to render their best judgment. first known as the president's intelligence checklist or the pickle when it was introduced in june 1961, the document became known as the president's daily brief or pdb. in december of 1964. it ripts distillation of intelligence mate

by the time we got to lyndon johnson, and the war on poverty, that we are the savior and we will take care of you guys and we will solve all of the problems. here we are all of these years later, $19 trillion later, did we solve the problem? we have 10 times more people on food stamps. more people in poverty, on welfare, broken homes, out of wedlock births, crime, incarceration. everything that was supposed to be better is not only worse, it is much worse. so, i am not going to sit here and demonize the government for doing that, but i am saying -- isn't it time to wake up and start thinking about another way to do things? rather than driving ourselves into debt without solving the problem. and that is a tremendous responsibility of the government as well. to remain solvent. because, you are the guardian of the people's future. how can we enjoy the liberties and have the future enjoy the liberties if they are overloaded with debt. $18.5 trillion, the national debt. think about that. to pay that back at $10 million a day, it would take you over 5000 years. that is absurd. we are puttin

. >> robert: you really threaten and cajole and do everything that lyndon johnson -- >> evan: so that whole argument about not having a drink with john boehner or mitch mcconnell being an obstacle to succeeding at his agenda may be true. he doesn't want to schmooze with people. he didn't want to actually work the political levers. >> robert: well, you have to work the political levers but at the same time you have got to be courageous and not let compromise really get in the way of what you want to fundamentally accomplish. >> evan: hasn't the kind of let your freak flag fly second term obama, i'm not running again with his executive order every couple of days deal, hasn't that been kind of courageous? i mean, as we look back on this period, aren't we going to think, well, for a lot of people the obama they voted for has been the obama of the second half of the second term. >> robert: yes, i think that's right. i think obama will go down as one of the great presidents of the united states, historically. >> evan: yeah. >> robert: but i think he could have used -- for example, i think h