. >> and as far as lyndon baines johnson, how did he factor into all this when it came to national guard? >> well, i mean, real fence. romney has got to make some hard choices about whether he's going to bring in federal troops even. because it's essentially admitting that he's lost control of his city and his state. so this is a really tense moment. remember that detroit was again the apple of washington's eye. there's lots of funding coming into detroit via office of equal opportunity funding. all of this is in jeopardy. and what's really interesting, of course, is that because detroit was so important to the johnson administration, after this, johnson himself is a little shocked. he's a little stunned. and this is the first time we get calls for a federal study of what in the world is going on? notably, even though he calls for this, he does not take it ultimately seriously and he doesn't implement what the so-called kerner commission suggests was needed. but it really was that moment. detroit was the moment when everyone woke up. >> let's go to pierre, longview, texas, you're on with