eliza: lyndon larouche is the actual one. jonathan: they said it is because if we are seen as stepping in and stopping people, there will be blowback against us and people will run against the party and it has been effective. what we can do is this kind of gentle process of having a lot of conversation with a lot of people and encourage people to run for the spots and educate people and they say they will. if someone is hopeless, they can be less aggressive in supporting up person among the margins, but it is a soft power kind of approach. jason: i can give you some tangible things that we did. my deputy director is on leave working for senator sanders'campaign. she's actually in michigan. they moved her from south carolina to michigan and we have cultivated staff that wound up working on the campaign. we provided an office space for both campaigns to do training of their volunteers, to hold press conferences, to have meetings with surrogates, to do any number of things. we do it in a completely even keel way. before senator

eliza: lyndon larouche is the actual one. isathan: they said it because if we are seen as stepping in and stopping people, there will be blowback against us and people will run against the party and it has been effective. is this kind of gentle process of having a lot of conversation with a lot of people and encourage people to run for the spots and educate people and they say they will. if someone is hopeless, they can be less aggressive in supporting up person among the margins, but it is a soft power kind of approach. jason: i can give you some tangible things that we did. my deputy director is on leave working for senator sanders' campaign. she's actually in michigan. they moved her from south carolina to michigan and we have cultivated staff that wound up working on the campaign. we provided an office space for both campaigns to do training of their volunteers, to hold press conferences, to have meetings with surrogates, to do any number of things. we do it in a completely even keel way. before senator sanders even annou