in the hopes of doing better next time. >> all right ken burns and lynn novick, thank you both for beinghts tonight, i agree with attorney sunny -- who says you should mourn the queen and should, but also that does not mean you embrace all of the history of the british empire, the colonialism and the developing situations around racial disparities in the united kingdom and throughout other areas where the queen and the royal family still held a symbolic lead. we have seen progress, but we've not seen a go on where it should go. as simon will be sent, lord simon will be set from england on the show, we have a long way to go, but we have come a long way from the day 31 years ago. i helped to lead that march in england, where you would have thought we were in one of the same kind of hostile situations in the united states. that's why as we gather this week with a hate crime summit at the white house, with the leaders of the jewish, asian, that do you know and lgbtq, indigenous communities, meeting and talking about dealing with the rise of hate crime, we must not just talk about it as comme

ken burns and lynn novick, fantastic to have you.'s an alex wagner bonus show tonight. good evening, alex. good evening, alex. good evening, alex. good evening, alex. good evening, alex. good evening, alex. >>> hey, there is an alex wright show tonight. hey, an alex wagner bonus show tonight. starts right now. good evening. >> it is. oh, right. i'm here. i'm going to pivot back to what you were just talking about which is much more serious and so the central question of what we are facing today. who are americans? what does it mean to be american? who belongs here? who belongs here who doesn't? it just echoes of our past and yet the questions remain so unresolved or so fraught especially at this hour, chris. >> it is pretty striking when you run the footage through the news reel filter how morally clear it is right? like well should we have taken one more vote of jews fleeing europe? obviously. when you put it in the contemporary context, well, you

. >> filmmakers ken burns and lynn novick join me now. it's breathtaking.merica's response here, and what you ask of the viewer is to just be honest about what happened. why is that so important? >> i think we have a history that gets sanitized. we're concerned that we don't want to show the more difficult aspects of it. i think for a long time with regard to the holocaust we were protected by the atlantic ocean and the continent of europe and thought we didn't know. we knew everything that was going on, and that we weren't in any way involved. we're not. we're not complicit in the holocaust. we, in fact, let in more refugees than any other sovereign nation, but it's a fraction of what we could have let in. when it was critical for us to relieve the suffering of refugees coming from the holocaust, we did not do enough. it's on the administration at the time. it's on the various executive departments. it's on the congress that had passed pernicious immigration laws, and it's on the people of the united states who had inherited a toxic anti-semitism, anti-imm

in painstaking detail, burns, botstein and their partner lynn novick, unravel how america reacted to in more human beings than any other sovereign nation, but if we had done ten times that many, i think we would have failed. and it is a failure at every level. it is a failure in the executive, a failure in the legislative branch, a failure in media, a failure in the general population. >> many white protestant americans came to fear they were about to be outnumbered and outbred by the new comers and being replaced., that theye >> the documentary cites shocking national polls to make the point. in 1938, just two weeks after a night of terror when nazis atacked and murdered jews across germany, only one in five americans said the u.s. should admit more jewish exiles. the following year, that number was one in ten. was this because of a lack of information? >> we cannot blame america's lack of action on not knowing. there was a great deal of coverage in the newspapers of what hitler was doing as the situation got worse and worse and worse. deportations, mass killings, thousands of refug

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years; dayton duncan, another writer, for more tha30 years; co-producers and co-directors like lynn novickstein. my own daughter sarah burns and her husband david mcmahon. we made the "muhammad ali" film. they are the writers of it and the co-directors of it as long as producers and a real orchestra of editors and associate producers that-- that make me look good. and so there's something incredibly rewarding about this intimate group of people that, you know, for the last year and a half have been all on zoom. you know, instead of just a couple of images, we have a box with 20, and--but we're getting-- we're getting things done, and--and i love that collaboration. i love the fact that you--you can't do it alone. so, how many projects do you have in the works now? can you say what some of the ones are? ken: yeah, yeah, i don't know why people make this stuff secret. we're doing a history of the buffalo, a sort of--it's actually a biography of not an animal but a biography of the people who use the animal, the people who brought that animal to the brinkf extinction, and then those very same

ken burns, lynn novick, thank you so much for bringing this story. and part three tomorrow night. the queen bumped us. empire strikes back. >> she does that. >> and streaming on pbs. >> we'll watch all the way through. thanks. >>> still ahead on "morning joe," a live report from the courthouse ahead of today's hearing in the mar-a-lago documents case. the latest on a bipartisan effort to prevent another january 6th from happening. can legislation do that? we're back in just a moment. it's the all-new subway series menu! 12 irresistible new subs... like #11 subway club. piled with turkey, ham and roast beef. this sub isn't slowing down time any time soon. i'll give it a run for its money. my money's on the sub. it's subway's biggest refresh yet. okay season 6! aw... this'll take forev—or not. do i just focus on when things don't work, and not appreciate when they do? [dog groans] so whatever is at work to pull all this off, it's working. as are those earrings. ♪ ♪ even work works! i just booked this parking spot... this desk... and this conference roo