. >> host: next question from lynn stanton. >> host: there was criticism from the phoenix center earlier this week around maybe not a criticism but more of a suggestion that as the fcc goes forward with its plan that its success be judged against whether the country moves up in ocd rankings for broadband penetration to number nine from its current 15th? 16th? >> guest: right. >> host: in the past the phoenix center and some other organizations have criticized that ranking -- >> guest: yes. >> host: -- as just not really relevant or not well thought out. [laughter] so what is your reaction to now being asked to be judged by -- >> guest: it's a very good question, and it's a fair question, but one of the things we found when we looked at a large series of studies was that, you know, number one, one should be judged on multiple factors. if you pick any one factor over any others, you're going to bias what you're actually doing. we could be number one in broadband penetration, but if our performance was the slowest in the world, if the our applications were the worst, that would not be a vic