m.p. simon hoggart was also present at the german embassy meeting. it was really i think two hobs the first half i thought was very positive the music coming out from officials on the on the german side of the table as it were it was very encouraging that they wanted to have a dialogue they wanted to see this brought to a conclusion we had to leave as we had to go back to the commons to vote and then the notes following that seem to suggest that they slightly dried up like clapham and it was very much we're not going to get involved with this this is the only meeting we're going to have to discuss this effectively that's the end of the news i think if there was anything which came out of the meeting which we had at the embassy in july of last year is that there had been a long debate point as to whether the drug which had been taken by british mothers had been manufactured in germany or could be manufactured under license in the u.k. and it is now very clear that the german officials taking tided the point that the thirty five trust in the u.k. has b