fields, and i was thinking about those are the job that tend to be most associated with kind of ma macsimo. more mass christianity. there are difficulties for women in those professions and i really think it's wonderful there's some organizations that try to break down barriers and offer training. being a welder may be something that would be great for certain women because it pays a decent page and they can raise their family on it and the door shouldn't be closed to them because their colleagues might not want them there. >> host: of course, some women are looking for professions that give them more flexibility the restaurant industry, service industry where women are able to create their own hours. i wonder if there are lessons we should take away from white collar jobs. i remember reading about walmart's flexibility work arrangement for its legal department and how that sort of trickled down into other areas. do you think there's room for that kind of -- work here for more educated women or higher skill jobs, can it work in lower skilled jobs snow that's a great question. it's not that