the reality is that the reason why jurisdictions like ma ren county are doing business with shell is because that is the only option we have. that is to say, though, that we have to understand that as we look at this contract, the goal of this contract ultimately is to lead to a build-out that no longer requires us to engage in those type contracts. i'm not here to defend the track record of any company but i do believe there is a way we can responsibly do business and protect taxpayers and it does so in a way consistent with values and principles we have as a city. this is an opt-out program. if i had a choice, i don't know that i would do it that way, but at the end of the day the program is set out the way it is because of state law. that is something the puc will be explaining very shortly. so i look forward to a robust discussion. i know there are a number of issues raised in the last few days. those are issues we have thought about. we care about the impact of this program on low income communities. someone who represents district nine with many low income residents. i'm mindfu

at some point -- ma ren has been up and now at the point of doing the larger opt-out. it can be done however you want but at some point has to be offered all residential, not business. >> supervisor? >> thank you. a question of what is happening in marin. how broadly has their version of clean power been marketed? throughout the whole county? >> they started with most but not all. it's been so successful that all have joined the program. richmond across the bay is trying to join also. they are in the process of having that happen. it is a program growing. those doubting it in some of the communities have now chosen to join in. all of marin, now expanding. >> in terms of the outreach to a lot of communities that might need extra help in terms of communication, having language services that are available to understand the program, what was the experience in marine like? do we have any information about that? >> i don't know. i'm looking at lafco staff to see if they have heard anything. i think in fairness we would have a richer language and multicultural thing in san fr

the reality is that the reason why jurisdictions like ma ren county are doing business with shell is because that is the only option we have. that is to say, though, that we have to underst