he's not trying to get at the factual accuracy here. >> maajid what do you say of that? the critics say unless you understand the enemy you're fighting call it what it is unless you're able to fight this a war of ideas as much as a military conflict you're not going to be able to truly defeat this enemy. >> yes. first of all, i speak, anderson as a muslim and a liberal. at the forefront of my concerns is also anti-muslim attacks. having said all of that and i agree with fareed it's not a black and white issue. precisely for the political reasons mentioned. there is a word that can be used. not at once islamic extremism and is also not burying our heads in the sand and denying, islamist extreme. the suffix islamist denotes the plit politicization of the religion. >> why does that make a difference? >> islamism. the one is on the non-muslim side. when there's an idea needs to be defeated the everyday average non-muslim the only word they know is the religion of islam and think the ideology is the face of islam itself and there be end up blaming all muslims. on the muslim s

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grew up in a city in london that was a hot bed for radicalization before isis existed, something maajid nawaz was in and now joining us with counterterrorism official phil phillip mudd. they've known for a while and keep it on the down low. now it's out there, does it that make easier or harder to capture him? >> i don't think capture is likely. first, get the intelligence not only where he is today but where he is tomorrow and second take the risk of putting somebody -- i suspect over time he will be identified and killed either by u.s. forces a syrian striker among extremist groups. i can't imagine despite what they say bringing back for justice he's going to come out of there. >> maajid it's interesting. we've talked about and a lot of people focused in the past about radicalization and other things that lead to it, poverty, lack of opportunities, sense of humiliation. he wasn't poor. he went to college, had a degree in computers. it seems like there's no boundaries anymore for somebody who actually may be attracted to this stuff. >> well yes, anderson. i've written a piece for one o

maajid nawaz, author of out of islam extremism.s latest act of horror by isis, the production values the bar barbary of it. >> this is a race to the bottom when it comes to gruesome depictions they're showing. if you remember they had the mass beheading and then showed a child purportedly killing somebody and now burning a man alive on camera. but really have to think about why they're doing this and why though peter bergen is correct. lose a large part of the jordanian audience. they're competing with those radicals across the world whether they join al qaeda or isil. it's a competition between people already primed to be jihadist who's going to claim the crown on jihadism. in that sense, isil is attempting to terrorists and i applaud your show for not showing the video. >> it's interesting. al qaeda in iraq when you look back the group that formed isis set to lose a lot of support among muslims in iraq because of how brutally they treated muslims in the area they controlled. do you see support for isis eroding because of this? ta

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